good flowchart software to use with Frame
Jan Homan
jan at square1.nl
Fri Sep 15 02:05:09 PDT 2006
pdfFLY (www.pdf-fly.com) converts any drawing saved as PostScript or
PDF file to an editable FrameMaker Interchange Format (MIF). Which is vector based.
Any windows application, including SmartDraw, Visio, could generate a PostScript file
of the drawing, using the Print-to-File option.
Jan Homan
jan at pdf-fly.com
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Today's Topics:
1. Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Steve Rickaby)
2. good flowchart software to use with Frame (Beth Prince)
3. Re: Document Management System needed for FM (Scott Abel)
4. RE: Question regarding converting documents to Structured
FrameMaker (Dave Shevitz)
5. Nasty X-Refs (Whites)
6. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Charles Beck)
7. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred)
8. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Bill Briggs)
9. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Niels Fan?e)
10. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Steve Rickaby)
11. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Syed Zaeem Hosain)
12. 2 blank pages (Shmuel Wolfson)
13. Re: 2 blank pages (Steve Rickaby)
14. Re: 2 blank pages (John Posada)
15. Re: 2 blank pages (Art Campbell)
16. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
(d.mossfritch at comcast.net)
17. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Art Campbell)
18. RE: 2 blank pages (Gagne, Bernard (Bolton))
19. RE: 2 blank pages (Steve Rickaby)
20. Re: 2 blank pages (Bill Briggs)
21. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Gillian Flato)
22. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold)
23. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold)
24. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Gillian Flato)
25. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold)
26. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Dov Isaacs)
27. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Dov Isaacs)
28. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Bill Briggs)
29. OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Don Laux)
30. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred)
31. Re: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bill Briggs)
32. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bureeda Bruner)
33. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bill Briggs)
34. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Jennifer Randel)
35. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (John Posada)
36. Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Peter Gold)
37. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Dov Isaacs)
38. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred)
39. Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Peter Gold)
40. FYI: Pubsnet posts (Rick Quatro)
41. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Steve Rickaby)
42. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Peter Gold)
43. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Art Campbell)
44. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Combs, Richard)
45. Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro (Gillian Flato)
46. RE: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro (John Sgammato)
47. Manual requirement or creation form (Fred Staal)
48. good flowchart software to use with Frame (Fred Staal)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:57:48 +0100
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <p06020408c12ef2d5960c@[192.168.0.4]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on the issue of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC.
It seems to come down to this:
. Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my case, from Frame Corp in 1991)
. Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never again use FrameMaker on the Mac
. Pay the upgrade fee
and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this a 'cross-system procedure'.
However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where my installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade from, say, Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I am happy to put up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more than one version or copy of FrameMaker at the same time.
If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a new full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that.
Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States?
--
Steve
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:16:03 -0700
From: Beth Prince <bprince at cfmc.com>
Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <45084AE3.1010307 at cfmc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:29:28 -0400
From: Scott Abel <abelsp at netdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Document Management System needed for FM
To: Wayne Brissette <waynefb at earthlink.net>
Cc: framemaker-dita at yahoogroups.com, framers at omsys.com,
dita-users at yahoogroups.com, framers at frameusers.com, "Loren R. Elks"
<lelks at exstream.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Wayne:
You might try Astoria Software -- www.astoriasoftware.com -- as they
also have integration with FrameMaker. While not open source, I have
found that they are truly in synch with the needs of the tech pubs
community and more responsive than some others. They will be
demonstrating their wares at the upcoming Documentation and Training
Conference in Boston this October 3-5, 2006. If you'd like to chat with
someone at Astoria let me know and I'll give you some info from my
contacts list.
New Contact Information
The Content Wrangler, Inc.
Scott Abel, CEO
6178 Crittenden Avenue, Indianapolis, IN 46220
Office: +1 (317) 466.1840 Skype: abelsp
abelsp at netdirect.net www.thecontentwrangler.com
On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Wayne Brissette wrote:
>
>> We need a Document Management System that will help us store FM files.
>> It would be helpful if the program could also store and catalog the
>> graphics files, as well as, text files and MS Word.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas????
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:06:17 -0700
From: "Dave Shevitz" <D.Shevitz at F5.com>
Subject: RE: Question regarding converting documents to Structured
FrameMaker
To: "Lynne A. Price" <lprice at txstruct.com>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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<B546C312A37C12438A22154026CDC7E00C2E7AB4 at exchfive.olympus.f5net.com>
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Lynne,
Aha! As it turned out, there was a blank paragraph tag between my Title
element and my Itemizedlist element. Once I found that, I modified my
conversion table and all was well.
Thanks--I don't know if I would've thought of that!
Dave Shevitz Sr. Technical Writer | d.shevitz at f5.com | www.f5.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:lprice at txstruct.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:56 AM
To: Dave Shevitz; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding converting documents to Structured
FrameMaker
At 08:59 AM 9/12/2006, Dave Shevitz wrote:
>What I would like is to ensure that the converted document is always
>wrapped in a <chapter> tag. Currently, a <chapter> can contain a
<title>
>element, a single <itemizedlist> element, and one or more <sect1>
>elements. I've tried to create my conversion table statement to read:
>
>title, itemizedlist[ChapterBullet], sect1*
>
>But the chapter element does not appear. When I try:
>
>itemizedlist[ChapterBullet], sect1*
>
>The <chapter> element appears, but obviously the title is outside the
>element. It appears, then, that the problem is with the <title>
element.
>(Oddly enough, I can wrap the <title> element by itself inside a
><chapter> element. The problem only seems to be when I'm combining the
><title> with the <itemizedlist>.)
Dave,
Are you successful in creating a title element? And is there anything
between the title and the itemizedlist?
--Lynne
Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application
development,
and training
lprice at txstruct.com http://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:06:11 -0700
From: Whites <whitefamily at mac.com>
Subject: Nasty X-Refs
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <37D50806-8B9B-4356-8007-B5E347243375 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
I just spend best part of an afternoon searching for a broken X-ref
that, IMHO, should never have existed. I'm updating a document that
has been through many hands (of various degrees of incompetence). As
always when I inherit a doc, I start a new Book file from scratch and
add chapters to it bit but bit. This time, however, there existed a
statement in the Book file .mif that referenced an earlier
incarnation of one of the files, using the old filename (one I had
never linked to, etc) and a paragraph tag that I never used (but that
the earlier users apparently had).
Anyone know of a utility that can diagnosis a Book to see if it
contains X-refs to files not in the book and paragraph tags not in
any of the files??
Any light shed will be appreciated.
will white
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hah! Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that?
Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?
Do they? - Sideshow Bob
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:11:13 -0400
From: "Charles Beck" <Charles.Beck at infor.com>
Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: "Beth Prince" <bprince at cfmc.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<6577742F9F71C1498F29D69F24C6DDC602972A4B at us-atl-mx03.infor.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I
seem to remember that it worked very well...
-----Original Message-----
Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, all,
I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
Beth
_______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:45:56 -0400
From: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Steve Rickaby" <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>,
<framers at frameusers.com>
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Message-ID:
<FB317E6321E6824BA3826CF0FA2FD5800E9278 at hdsmsx412.amr.corp.intel.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products,
it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition
period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed
to uninstall the old version. For contractors who might need to
have multiple versions available to them to work on client projects
using the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple
full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but it's the
way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:58 AM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on
the issue of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC.
It seems to come down to this:
. Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my
case, from Frame Corp in 1991)
. Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never
again use FrameMaker on the Mac
. Pay the upgrade fee
and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this
a 'cross-system procedure'.
However, I need to be able to retain the use of FrameMaker on Mac, where
my installations go back to FrameMaker Version 3, much as an upgrade
from, say, Version 6 to Version 7 will allow you to use both versions. I
am happy to put up with the network spoiler, as I will never use more
than one version or copy of FrameMaker at the same time.
If I understand things correctly, the only way I can do this is to buy a
new full copy of FrameMaker for PC. Adobe can forget that.
Anyone else been through this hoop? Is it different in the States?
--
Steve
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:53:00 -0300
From: Bill Briggs <web at nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time.
- web
At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
>Hi, all,
>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
>Beth
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:15 +0200
From: Niels Fan?e <NFA at maconomy.dk>
Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: "Beth Prince" <bprince at cfmc.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.
-Niels
-> -----Original Message-----
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-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
-> On Behalf Of Beth Prince
-> Sent: 13. september 2006 20:16
-> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
-> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame
->
-> Hi, all,
-> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I
-> used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's
-> not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any
-> suggestions??
-> Beth
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:02:48 +0100
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Message-ID: <p0602040dc12f02d75693@[192.168.0.4]>
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At 08:45 -0400 14/9/06, Ridder, Fred wrote:
>It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
>If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their products,
>it only entitles you to keep both versions installed for a transition
>period (90 days, as I recall). After that period you are supposed
>to uninstall the old version.
Hmm. I was unaware of that. It wouldn't matter a jot, of course, for something like Illustrator or InDesign, where there would be no incentive to continue using the old version anyway. However, we still have authors here working in old versions of FrameMaker, and it's a help to be able to keep their source files at the required version. (I know you can MIF backward through versions, but it's a hassle.)
>For contractors who might need to have multiple versions available to them to work on client projects using the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
As you say, not user friendly.
--
Steve
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:24:19 -0700
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain <Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: Beth Prince <bprince at cfmc.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <45095803.5000207 at aeris.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Beth Prince wrote:
> Hi, all,
> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
> SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
> it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
I use Visio for this ... save it in a vector format and it will work
well in FrameMaker.
Z
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:26:19 +0300
From: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com>
Subject: 2 blank pages
To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <4509668B.8010909 at actcom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility
under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
--
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:29:01 +0100
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 2 blank pages
To: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com>
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Message-ID: <p06020413c12f17462087@[192.168.0.4]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 17:26 +0300 14/9/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
Special -> Delete Pages?
Also, are they really blank? Is there actually something there that you aren't currently displaying, such as empty paragraphs or anchored frames. (The latter unlikely in an index, I grant, but not impossible.)
--
Steve
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Posada <jposada01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2 blank pages
To: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com>, Framers
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <20060914143053.91850.qmail at web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Have you made sure that they don't have a Custom master page applied
to them? Applying a Custom master page tends to override a number of
pagination functions. If it is custom, change to Left/Right, then try
saving the file again and see if the extra pages go away.
--- Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com> wrote:
> I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I
> tried every possibility under Pagination, Delete
> Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is."
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:35:23 -0400
From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2 blank pages
To: "Shmuel Wolfson" <sbw at actcom.com>
Cc: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
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Pagination is probably being controlled by the book file... so you
checked the settings for both the Index and the file that follow it?
If you're using Delete Pages to remove the two pages, when are they
reappearing? When you regenerate the Index, Update the book, or some
other time?
If you add a new Index to the book and update, does it also have extra pages?
Art
On 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com> wrote:
> I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility
> under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
--
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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:50:51 +0000
From: d.mossfritch at comcast.net
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: Beth Prince <bprince at cfmc.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Good Morning Beth,
I too use SmartDraw, particularly for flowcharts that include images. I had a problem with the shartness of images until I tried saving the SmartDraw graphic as a .png file and using that in FrameMaker. The resulting graphic, whether print or Acrobat, is great.
Best,
Denise
Denise L. Moss-Fritch
Lead Technical Writer
Varian Medical Systems
Palo Alto, CA
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Beth Prince wrote:
> > Hi, all,
> > I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
> > SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
> > it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:02:57 -0400
From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: " Niels Fan?e " <NFA at maconomy.dk>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com, Beth Prince <bprince at cfmc.com>
Message-ID:
<c7d9dd600609140802v76b9dce7me23ee4837098eb18 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Second that.
On 9/14/06, Niels Fanøe <NFA at maconomy.dk> wrote:
> Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.
>
> -Niels
--
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:18:22 -0400
From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" <bgagne at husky.ca>
Subject: RE: 2 blank pages
To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Another possibility I have encountered is disconnected text flows. The tell
tale sing is a lonely "End of flow" marker at the top of the last page (or
sometimes the next-to-last page.
Regards,
Berny Gagné
Lead Technical Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems
Bolton, Ontario, Canada
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From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:35 AM
To: Shmuel Wolfson
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: 2 blank pages
Pagination is probably being controlled by the book file... so you checked
the settings for both the Index and the file that follow it?
If you're using Delete Pages to remove the two pages, when are they
reappearing? When you regenerate the Index, Update the book, or some other
time?
If you add a new Index to the book and update, does it also have extra
pages?
Art
On 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com> wrote:
> I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every
> possibility under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:43:36 +0100
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: 2 blank pages
To: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" <bgagne at husky.ca>
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
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At 11:18 -0400 14/9/06, Gagne, Bernard (Bolton) wrote:
>The tell tale sing is a lonely "End of flow"...
How does that one go, then? ;-) Maybe to the tune of 'O sole mio'?
--
Steve
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:45:15 -0300
From: Bill Briggs <web at nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: 2 blank pages
To: Framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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At 5:26 PM +0300 9/14/06, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>I have an Index with 2 blank pages at the end. I tried every possibility under Pagination, Delete Blank pages, etc. Any ideas?
One possibility is that upon generation of the book the penultimate index page has a lone trailing empty paragraph on it (the end of flow marker would be visible) and that page makes the page count odd for the file. If your setup is to make page count even for that file, then Frame would add an additional page to the index to satisfy that criterion.
But whatever it is, it's definitely fixable. :-)
- web
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:00:42 -0700
From: "Gillian Flato" <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: "Bill Briggs" <web at nbnet.nb.ca>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
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Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
for that.
Just something to keep in mind.
I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
specific reason.
Thank you,
Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
Nanometrics, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Briggs
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly
drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people
on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they
will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used
them in quite some time.
- web
At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
>Hi, all,
>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
>Beth
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:09:50 -0500
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: Gillian Flato <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Hi, Gillian:
Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
Gillian Flato wrote:
> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
> for that.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
> specific reason.
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:10:39 -0500
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: Gillian Flato <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <45097EFF.70600 at knowhowpro.com>
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Hi, Gillian:
Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
Gillian Flato wrote:
> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
> for that.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
> specific reason.
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:23:01 -0700
From: "Gillian Flato" <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: "Peter Gold" <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<2C1C13BEFF79124985E37DB5591C801A017AF5E3 at mil-mail03.nanometrics.com>
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What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group
them together with the graphic.
Gillian Flato
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, Gillian:
Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -
to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing
tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
Gillian Flato wrote:
> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will
need
> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra
money
> for that.
>
> Just something to keep in mind.
>
> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for
that
> specific reason.
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:01:35 -0500
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: Gillian Flato <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <45098AEF.7020600 at knowhowpro.com>
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Hi, Gillian:
Gillian Flato wrote:
> What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group
> them together with the graphic.
>
>
That's what I mean! When you say "type them in" you must be typing into
text frames or text lines (the "A" tool) you've created in the drawing
you've made in an anchored frame. You do the same thing with an imported
graphic in an anchored frame. You can group these text frames or text
lines with imported graphics.
HTH
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
> Gillian Flato
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM
> To: Gillian Flato
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
>
> Hi, Gillian:
>
> Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines -
> to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing
> tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
> Gillian Flato wrote:
>
>> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
>> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will
>>
> need
>
>> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
>> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
>> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
>> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra
>>
> money
>
>> for that.
>>
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>
>> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for
>>
> that
>
>> specific reason.
>>
>>
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:07:03 -0700
From: "Dov Isaacs" <isaacs at adobe.com>
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>, "Steve Rickaby"
<srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>, <framers at frameusers.com>
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
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Steve & Fred,
That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version
upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago.
However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform
"sidegrade," you are dealing with software on distinctly
separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that
of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to
install or give away the old version for use on another
computer.
- Dov
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Ridder, Fred
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com
> Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
>
> It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
> If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their
> products, it only entitles you to keep both versions
> installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall).
> After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old
> version. For contractors who might need to have multiple
> versions available to them to work on client projects using
> the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple
> full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but
> it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
>
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ
------------------------------
Message: 27
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:10:01 -0700
From: "Dov Isaacs" <isaacs at adobe.com>
Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: Niels Fan?e <NFA at maconomy.dk>, "Beth Prince" <bprince at cfmc.com>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<5F4BF9F76511C549A314AC3EDF92EBAB0BF4AD9A at namail1.corp.adobe.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
PNG is a raster format that does not scale well.
Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the
content as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from
Visio and import either the PDF or EPS (saved from
the PDF in Acrobat) into your FrameMaker document.
- Dov
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Niels Fanøe
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:55 AM
> To: Beth Prince; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
>
> Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me.
>
> -Niels
>
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:19 -0300
From: Bill Briggs <web at nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090cc12f34d5aa57@[131.202.98.174]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something.
- web
At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote:
>Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if
>your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need
>to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow
>chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in
>Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow
>chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money
>for that.
>
>Just something to keep in mind.
>
>I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that
>specific reason.
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>Gillian Flato
>Technical Writer (Software)
>Nanometrics, Inc.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Bill Briggs
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
>
>FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly
>drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people
>on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they
>will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used
>them in quite some time.
>
> - web
>
>At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote:
>>Hi, all,
>>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used
>SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and
>it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
>>Beth
>>_______________________________________________
>>
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:32:21 -0700
From: "Don Laux" <Don.Laux at SolimarSystems.com>
Subject: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for
your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?
They are coming from "news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com on behalf of Pubsnet
Newsletter [news at pubsnet-news.com]"
Seems like their mail server is re-distributing the auto-replies they
receive to their mailing list...
This has been going on for a few days now, and it is becoming very annoying.
I called and left a message, but no humanoid answers their phone, so who
knows whether it made a difference.
If anyone from Pubsnet receives this, perhaps you can "wrangle" you mail
server problems and stop the spamming.
This does not promote a very good feeling about the services Pubsnet offers,
especially as this problem drags on over several days.
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:34:11 -0400
From: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Dov Isaacs" <isaacs at adobe.com>, "Steve Rickaby"
<srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>, <framers at frameusers.com>
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
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Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more
meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
right?)
I was pretty sure the restriction was still in the EULA as of
FrameMaker 6.0, but I guess that *was* "a number of years
ago" by now. Time sure is fun when you're having files. ;^)
My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:07 PM
To: Ridder, Fred; Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com
Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
Steve & Fred,
That 90-day (or whatever) restriction on version-to-version
upgrades on the same computer went out a number of years ago.
However, when you are dealing with a platform-to-platform
"sidegrade," you are dealing with software on distinctly
separate computers! The restriction is comparable to that
of the version-to-version upgrade not allowing you to
install or give away the old version for use on another
computer.
- Dov
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Ridder, Fred
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com
> Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
>
> It's really not any different from Adobe's standard upgrade policy.
> If you buy an upgrade license for most (if not all) of their
> products, it only entitles you to keep both versions
> installed for a transition period (90 days, as I recall).
> After that period you are supposed to uninstall the old
> version. For contractors who might need to have multiple
> versions available to them to work on client projects using
> the correct tool version, this technically mean s multiple
> full licenses for each version. Not very user-friendly, but
> it's the way Adobe has structured their licenses for years.
>
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ
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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:39:01 -0300
From: Bill Briggs <web at nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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At 10:32 AM -0700 9/14/06, Don Laux wrote:
>Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for
>your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?
Yup. It was a trickle, now it's a stream. I'd like it stopped completely, before it becomes a flood.
- web
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Message: 32
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:40:12 -0500
From: "Bureeda Bruner" <bureeda at paragoninnovations.com>
Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
To: <Don.Laux at SolimarSystems.com>, <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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I am receiving them as well. I assume everyone on their subscriber list is
receiving them.
Bureeda Bruner
Paragon Innovations, Inc.
Phone: 972-265-6000
email: bureeda at paragoninnovations.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+bureeda=paragoninnovations.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Don Laux
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:32 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
Is anyone else receiving a bunch of "out of office reply" and "thanks for
your resume" auto-reply bounces from the Pubsnet newsletter?
They are coming from "news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com on behalf of Pubsnet
Newsletter [news at pubsnet-news.com]"
Seems like their mail server is re-distributing the auto-replies they
receive to their mailing list...
This has been going on for a few days now, and it is becoming very annoying.
I called and left a message, but no humanoid answers their phone, so who
knows whether it made a difference.
If anyone from Pubsnet receives this, perhaps you can "wrangle" you mail
server problems and stop the spamming.
This does not promote a very good feeling about the services Pubsnet offers,
especially as this problem drags on over several days.
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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:41:41 -0300
From: Bill Briggs <web at nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <p06230910c12f44a35e9a@[131.202.98.174]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 12:40 PM -0500 9/14/06, Bureeda Bruner wrote:
>I assume everyone on their subscriber list is receiving them.
I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me thinks they have harvested names from the framers list.
- web
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Message: 34
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:43:23 -0700
From: "Jennifer Randel" <jennifer_randel at khsd.k12.ca.us>
Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<802550B8C492094188BF7119C8F126C80E4841 at khsd-mailtemp.kernhigh.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
web wrote:
I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them. Me
thinks they have harvested names from the framers list.
______________________________
I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting tons of
junk from them!
~Jennifer
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Message: 35
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:51:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Posada <jposada01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <20060914175109.65022.qmail at web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I get no email from or about pubsnet, except now through the FM list.
Who's worse.
--- Jennifer Randel <jennifer_randel at khsd.k12.ca.us> wrote:
> web wrote:
> I'm manifestly NOT on their subscriber list and I'm getting them.
> Me
> thinks they have harvested names from the framers list.
> ______________________________
>
> I have never subscribed to a Pubsnet list either and I'm getting
> tons of junk from them!
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is."
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Message: 36
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:53:12 -0500
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>
Cc: framers at frameusers.com, fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <45099708.2050907 at knowhowpro.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi, Fred:
Ridder, Fred wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more
> meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
> detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
> right?)
>
PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the
box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G>
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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Message: 37
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:02:35 -0700
From: "Dov Isaacs" <isaacs at adobe.com>
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Peter Gold" <peter at knowhowpro.com>, "Ridder, Fred"
<fred.ridder at intel.com>
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<5F4BF9F76511C549A314AC3EDF92EBAB0BF4ADED at namail1.corp.adobe.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
All Adobe's EULAs are posted for public inspection on its
website. See <http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/>.
- Dov
> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:53 AM
> To: Ridder, Fred
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
>
> Hi, Fred:
>
> Ridder, Fred wrote:
> > Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more
> > meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
> > detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
> > right?)
> >
> PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the
> disk or in the
> box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
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Message: 38
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:17:06 -0400
From: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>
Subject: RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Peter Gold" <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Cc: framers at frameusers.com, fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Message-ID:
<FB317E6321E6824BA3826CF0FA2FD5800E9284 at hdsmsx412.amr.corp.intel.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
LOL, Peter...
The EULA is often printed on the outside of a sealed envelope
that contains the actual software distribution, and that's the seal
that is referred to in the EULA. If there's no sealed envelope, the
seal on the jewel case or CD sleeve (the software distribution media)
that is the one whose breakage signifies your acceptance of the
terms and conditions of a so-called "shrink wrap EULA" rather
than the actual shrink-wrap on the outside box. And besides,
many software publishers also post their EULAs on their website
where people can do due diligence before purchasing.
My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:53 PM
To: Ridder, Fred
Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
Hi, Fred:
Ridder, Fred wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more
> meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
> detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
> right?)
>
PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the
box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G>
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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Message: 39
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:33:10 -0500
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
To: "Ridder, Fred" <fred.ridder at intel.com>
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Message-ID: <4509A066.1090003 at knowhowpro.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi, Fred:
Should I have waited to send this on Friday?
Ridder, Fred wrote:
> LOL, Peter...
>
> The EULA is often printed on the outside of a sealed envelope
> that contains the actual software distribution, and that's the seal
> that is referred to in the EULA. If there's no sealed envelope, the
> seal on the jewel case or CD sleeve (the software distribution media)
> that is the one whose breakage signifies your acceptance of the
> terms and conditions of a so-called "shrink wrap EULA" rather
> than the actual shrink-wrap on the outside box. And besides,
> many software publishers also post their EULAs on their website
> where people can do due diligence before purchasing.
>
>
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:53 PM
> To: Ridder, Fred
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC
>
> Hi, Fred:
>
> Ridder, Fred wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the information, Dov. I guess I need to be more
>> meticulous about reading the EULA (which we all read in
>> detail before we break the seal on the software distribution,
>> right?)
>>
>>
> PLEASE, please tell me how to read the EULA that's on the disk or in the
>
> box without breaking the sealed shrinkwrap!<G>
>
>
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Message: 40
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:15:36 -0400
From: "Rick Quatro" <frameexpert at truevine.net>
Subject: FYI: Pubsnet posts
To: <framers at FrameUsers.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c6d832$28d3a040$0201a8c0 at CARMEN>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware
of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com
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Message: 41
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:29:02 +0100
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts
To: "Rick Quatro" <frameexpert at truevine.net>
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Message-ID: <p06020423c12f5d81965e@[192.168.0.4]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 15:15 -0400 14/9/06, Rick Quatro wrote:
>I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc.
Yup, it surely reeks ;-)
(I've been getting them too.)
--
Steve
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Message: 42
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:31:05 -0500
From: Peter Gold <peter at knowhowpro.com>
Subject: Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Message-ID: <4509ADF9.4030404 at knowhowpro.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Because there are so many of these notes, I created an email filter to
trash them. My settings are:
Criteria:
* Date: 9/5/2006
and
* Sender or From: news-bounces at pubsnet-news.com
and
* Subject contains: [News
Actions:
* Mark as Junk
* Move to Junk folder
HTH
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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Message: 43
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:34:16 -0400
From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts
To: "Steve Rickaby" <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Message-ID:
<c7d9dd600609141234w50e1027cr37c9057d41c8f634 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Addded them to the spam filter until they get it under control.
The woman I've been talking to since it started last week has been
saying their IT guys keep telling her the problem's solved. Until we
all call.
;- )
Art
On 9/14/06, Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> At 15:15 -0400 14/9/06, Rick Quatro wrote:
>
> >I just talked to someone at Pubsnet about the rogue posts and they are aware of the problem. Apparently, someone hacked their server and reeked havoc.
>
> Yup, it surely reeks ;-)
>
> (I've been getting them too.)
>
> --
> Steve
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Message: 44
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:21:37 -0600
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<AABEB232F95338499DF8F513EE2B2C7802D919 at WSTEXCH00.westminster.polycom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dov Isaacs wrote:
> PNG is a raster format that does not scale well.
> Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content
> as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import
> either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into
> your FrameMaker document.
I'm using Visio Pro 2003 and Acrobat 7, and the Visio --> PDF process works great! There's an advantage to it that most people don't realize: Visio files can contain multiple drawing pages, and Convert to Adobe PDF will create a single multi-page PDF from such a file.
In FM, when you import from that PDF, you choose the page. Instead of a dozen separate source files and a dozen separate output files, there's one of each. You can import all the drawings in no time because FM remembers the file name from the previous import, and you just pick a new page. Slick!
Helpful hint: In Visio Page Setup, make both the drawing and print page size exactly the final size you want it in FM, so there's no need to scale (which can cause text problems).
Richard
------
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
------
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
------
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Message: 45
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:21:44 -0700
From: "Gillian Flato" <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Subject: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<2C1C13BEFF79124985E37DB5591C801A017AF7C0 at mil-mail03.nanometrics.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Guys,
I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks
ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with
both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course?
Which do you like better?
Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product?
What do you recommend?
My final output is a .chm file.
Thank you,
<mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>
Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr.
Milpitas, CA. 95035
(408.435.9600 x 316
7 408.232.5911
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Message: 46
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:31:08 -0400
From: "John Sgammato" <jsgammato at IMPRIVATA.com>
Subject: RE: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro
To: "Gillian Flato" <gflato at nanometrics.com>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<8E0B2788ADE5A14195D29CF5C43E81A30206EA35 at mamail01.IMPRIVATA.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I went to ePublisher and I am happy with it.
I used it for our last release and all the online help (HTML Help) got
done on time with no bugs, so I have no complaints. There is a learning
curve, and I thought the initial release was not ready for primetime,
but the current version seems robust enough.
I have not used RoboHelp in years so I can offer no comparisons.
-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Gillian Flato
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro
Guys,
I am considering upgrading from WebWorks 7.0 to either WebWorks
ePublisher Pro or Robohelp X5. What experiences have you guys had with
both - going from Frame 7.0 to these, single-sourcing files, of course?
Which do you like better?
Does Robohelp have an edge since it's also an Adobe product?
What do you recommend?
My final output is a .chm file.
Thank you,
<mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>
Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr.
Milpitas, CA. 95035
(408.435.9600 x 316
7 408.232.5911
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Message: 47
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:55:39 -0700
From: "Fred Staal" <Fred.Staal at schilling.com>
Subject: Manual requirement or creation form
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
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Rather than reinvent the wheel, I am seeking for samples of forms that
would be submitted to a technical publications department requesting the
creation of a technical manual; the form would have spaces for
information on subject, scope, SME, deadlines, etc. to be filled in by
the submitter.
If you have a form that you feel has served you well, I'd appreciate a
sample copy.
Thanks,
Fred
Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
fred.staal at schilling.con
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Message: 48
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:01:56 -0700
From: "Fred Staal" <Fred.Staal at schilling.com>
Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
<825CF3FE62B1D54A8D41BBE45AF941AF01ADE468 at EX20DAV.schilling.loc>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked objects. The
process seems stable, retains vector format, and avoids any conversion
issues.
Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
fred.staal at schilling.con
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