RTF to framemaker

Tue Jan 16 00:49:09 PST 2007

What do you mean when you say
"import the doc into a Frame template"
Can you explain more fully?

Caroline Tabach
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-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker

I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a
Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created
when using Frame to "open" the doc directly.

The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't
address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. 

Result:
-Graphics and tables often require manipulation
-Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed
-The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much
of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting)

I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies
mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word
author's lack of consistency.

-Matt Sullivan

GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

-----Original Message-----
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

(1)	There are "a lot of people within Adobe" who
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2)	Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign "converter" at
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter"
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply "converters"
back to those formats, users expectations would be set
to a level that we could not deliver to.

Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter
simply because just about every text consuming program out
there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
retrieval.

	- Dov

> -----Original Message-----
>
> I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't
> know what FrameMaker is.
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> > It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has
included
> > a function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of
> > their competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file
> > formats.  Perhaps there is not enough demand for PDF->FM?
> >
> > Diane

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