question about overrides

Shmuel Wolfson sbw at actcom.com
Thu Jul 10 01:56:57 PDT 2008


I keep my overrides to pagination-related overrides. Removing these 
overrides will only affect the pagination, which I check anyway before 
completing a book. The main problem with overrides is that it will make 
changes later that will be difficult to find and/or fix.

Having said that, if I would start with a clean book with no overrides 
(meaning if I wrote it from scratch), I can see the advantage to using 
no overrides, and a special paragraph to force new pages, since there is 
always that doubt about whether some overrides were added for 
non-pagination reasons.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133



Owen, Clint wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> In my opinion, Top of Page type overrides to force improved pagination
> much more acceptable than other types of formatting changes. One of the
> last steps in our process is to go through the document and check for
> awkward pagination. Then we move figures and tables around or force a
> heading to the next page to improve the look and flow. If something else
> changes, we just have to do it again. It just makes a better product.
>
> Clint
>
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> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
> Reagan
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:42 AM
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> Subject: question about overrides
>
> Hi all, good morning.
>
> FM 8.0, XP.
>
> This is really a best practices question.
>
> A couple of weeks ago, there was a discussion about overrides, and how
> they should be used rarely or not at all.
>
> So I thought about that and started to watch our use of overrides.
>
> We use overrides all the time.  For instance, if a figure would be
> better placed at the top of the next page, we create that override (our
> figure tag is set at Anywhere).
>
> We also used Top of Page when we want to keep a paragraph from breaking
> over two pages.
>
> Is it really preferable to create a paragraph tag for each instance of
> formatting?  I'd end up a lot of one-time-use-only tags.
>
> Also, most of these overrides occur in the editing process, after the
> content has been established and we are focused on making the document
> look professional.  Should I be creating tags as I edit the document,
> rather than override the existing tag as I make layout decisions?
>
> A second question, now that I'm really thinking about this:
>
> I'm really bothered by the Top of Page as an override, because if we add
> text to the front end, that override is going to force a Top of Page we
> might not want.  But I haven't been able to find a "keep together"
> option, like Word has for keeping lines of text together.
> Next Pgf is similar, but it works differently in significant ways.
> You can't Next Pgf a single paragraph, for instance, but you can keep it
> whole without forcing it to the top of the next page in Word.
>
> Anyway, any comments and insight into the override / editor's role /
> tidying up the document / is there a "keep together" issue would be most
> welcome!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
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