[BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Tue Jun 10 11:06:21 PDT 2008

Clint,

   Thanks for that. Yes, I'm aware that text lines would also work, but
they wouldn't work quite as well in this case. For one thing, the
callouts are text instead of a simply a number/letter that's defined
elsewhere. Secondly, the callouts have more than a single line, which is
where the text tool seems to work best. Thirdly, I also need to apply a
paragraph style to the callouts, which is not available as a text line.
Conceivably, I could also reformat the text to match the format of the
other callouts, which is what I was going to try if I didn't get a fix
to the problem otherwise. 

Thanks much for the response and suggestion!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:42 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [BULK] RE: Text Frames on Graphic
Importance: Low

It might not be relevant in your situation, but you don't really need a
text frame to add callouts on top of a graphic. Just use the text tool
on the graphics toolbar. You can change the font, size, and color as
necessary. You can also add arrows and simple shapes.

Clint 

Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace & Electronics 
425-743-8674

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   Okay, I tried that when you first replied, but it didn't do anything
to fix it. So, after reading your second message, I tried again, this
time selecting just the graphic and not the anchored frame it was in,
and it seems to have solved the problem! So, thank you VERY much for the
solution, as this seems to have fixed the problem!

Thanks again, and thanks also to Deirdre Reagan, who responded off-list!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lindag at techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Please try it. I know what the function is supposed to be for, but I'm
quite certain it fixed the problem. 

Rick Quatro even has a plug-in (that I use) to fix this problem
throughout an existing book and for every new graphic you add.

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/runaroundnone/index.htm 

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Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
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303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Beard [mailto:sbeard at oico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:25 AM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

Linda,

   That seems to apply to graphics when you're placing them inside a
text frame on a page and you want that text to flow (or not, as the case
may be) around the anchored frame. In this case, I'm trying to get a
text frame (used for callouts) to display correctly on top of a graphic
placed inside an anchored frame on the page. Or am I missing something
in what you've said?

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda G. Gallagher [mailto:lindag at techcomplus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Sam Beard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Frames on Graphic

I believe you need to set the runaround properties of the graphic to
None. 

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Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates
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-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:12 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Frames on Graphic

Hello All,

   I'm using Frame 7.2p158 on Windows XP.

   I'm having an issue with text frames on a graphic. I need to place
some text frames to use as part labels on a graphic. I've created some
text frames and entered in the text I need for some of the callouts.
I've then tried to move them into place on the graphic (which is inside
an anchored frame). I can place some of them and they show up and I can
also select them and relocate/resize them as needed. However, some of
the text frames don't allow this. Indeed, they end up showing the text
being below the bottom margin of the text frame. I can't Control-click
on the frame to select it and I can't resize it without moving the
underlying graphic. I've tried sending the graphic to back, bringing the
text frames to front, but it doesn't make any difference. I've also
tried looking in the manual and saw something about selecting a
different color view, but it's really unclear exactly what to do there.
I've tried a couple of things with the color views and they haven't made
a difference. Can someone please tell me what's happening here?
Sometimes, I can place a text frame on top of a graphic and have it
display just fine and others I get the same effect here: the text frame
indicating the text is outside of the frame's margins. Sometimes, if I
nudge the graphic one way or another, the text reappears in the text
frame. However, that's usually if the text frame is near the edge of the
graphic. In this case, I need the text frame over the middle of the
graphic.

   Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

Thanks in advance,

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.

Technical Writer

OI Analytical

979 690-1711 Ext. 222

sbeard at oico.com

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