Text insets

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Richard,

You asked whether FrameMaker 8 changes the paragraph
format of a paragraph with a text inset although there
is a non-breaking space between the text inset and
the pilcrow of the container paragraph.

I use this setup all the time. It worked in FrameMaker 7.x
and it works equally well in FrameMaker 8.0.

Best regards

Winfried

> -----Original Message-----
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Combs, Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:16 PM
> To: Stephen O'Brien; framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Text insets
> 
> Stephen O'Brien wrote:
>  
> > In the Introduction section of each FM guide I
> > list related documentation - each description in
> > bullet form is a text inset. There may be from 1
> > to 5 related docs. Then there follows a line of
> > text in Body para format. When I update the text
> > insets my double-clicking and pressing Update,
> > that line of text is  formatted as bullet...NOT what I want..
> 
> Well, I had your problem all figured out and a reply composed when I
> realized that it didn't quite fit. I hope your description isn't quite
> accurate, because if it is, a bug I've seen in previous versions of FM
> is even worse in 7.2 (which I recently moved to). 
> 
> A text inset is an object, like a variable or xref, that sits in a
> specific location in the text flow. What people usually refer 
> to as the
> pgf that "follows" the text inset is actually the "container" pgf in
> which it sits. If you have View > Text Symbols on and you 
> click the text
> inset to select it, you'll see that the selection extends past the end
> of the last pgf in the text inset and down into the "following" pgf. 
> 
> Now, the bug that I'm familiar with works like this: If a text inset
> sits at the end of its container pgf (immediately adjacent to the
> pilcrow), that pgf takes on the format of the first pgf in the text
> inset. (It's similar to the bug that causes a pgf format 
> override when a
> char tag runs right up to the pilcrow.) 
> 
> The solution is simple: Separate the text inset and pilcrow. A space
> will do. I use a non-breaking space so that there's a text 
> symbol to see
> on the screen. And that solution has always worked for me. 
> 
> But according to your description, there's already text 
> between the end
> of the text inset and the end of its container pgf, and that container
> pgf is _still_ taking on the format of the first pgf in the 
> text inset.
> Are you sure? That would be an annoying "escalation" of the bad
> behavior. When I get the chance, I'll see if I can duplicate that
> problem. 
> 
> If that's what's happening, I can think of only one easy 
> answer: Always
> use a special pgf format as the text inset container (the "following"
> pgf) -- something small to minimize the extra vertical space -- and
> start every text inset with that same pgf format. 
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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