text frame that isn't visible

Owen, Clint Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com
Mon Oct 20 13:24:27 PDT 2008 

Deidre,

Unless your template is broken, all you need to do is add your content.
FM will add pages as necessary. You can also add a page break manually
to any paragraph or use a paragraph with the "Top of Page" attribute.

If the template is broken, in that no matter what you do you can't get
it to add new pages beyond a certain point, copy your content into a
different copy of the template. 

Somehow our Indian subcontractor manages to do this to our files
periodically, and I almost always  have to start over with a new file.

Clint


Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
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-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Lester C. Smalley
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: text frame that isn't visible

Thanks Lester:

I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties -- the
autoconnect box is selected.

How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.

Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
Special > Add Connected Page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley <lsmalley at infocon.com> wrote:
> The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not
visible.
> I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also

> a possibility.
>
> The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
> This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body 
> pages themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are

> custom master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have 
> some very specialized page design needs.
>
> Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect 
> setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it

> will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  
> If that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them 
> manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if 
> Autoconnect is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should 
> automatically add a new page to contain the extra table rows.
>
> I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as 
> possible
> - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest

> for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your 
> page design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be 
> done directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed 
> graphic frame.
>
> On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
>
> | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some 
> | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about 
> | creating a new, clean template and applying it to any of your 
> | files/books that have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as

> | if you're building stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation,
which isn't good.
> |
> | * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --

> | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames 
> | manually.
> |
> | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's 
> | on a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't 
> | the default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect --

> | a checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the

> | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always 
> | be on.
> |
> | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you 
> | should need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all 
> | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> |
> | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that 
> | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or 
> | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have 
> | nested ones.
> |
> | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if 
> | youv'e broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the 
> | rows and pages are added automatically.
> |
> | Art
> |
> | Art Campbell
> |                           art.campbell at gmail.com
> |   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 
> | Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> |                                                       No disclaimers

> | apply.
> |                                                                DoD 
> | 358
> |
> |
> | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
> <deirdre.reagan at gmail.com> wrote:
> |
> | > Hi all:
> | >
> | > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> | >
> | > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the 
> | > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy 
> | > to learn.
> | >
> | > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a

> | > message that says "OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
> | >
> | > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
> | >
> | > What does that message mean?
> | >
> | > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
> | >
> | > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I 
> | > ever use a text frame that isn't visible?
> | >
> | > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
> | >
> | > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my 
> | > figures jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up 
> | > split between two other figures?
> | >
> | > Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text 
> | > frame it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- 
> | > the text frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, 
> | > so I cut and pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I 
> | > guess I could
> have
> | > just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't 
> | > think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
> | >
> | > How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically
> adds
> | > a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a
> page
> | > and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do 
> | > with using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom

> | > Right master pages?
> | >
> | > I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
> | >
> | > Sprightly yours,
> | >
> | > Deirdre
>
> - Lester
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