FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

[Kelly McDaniel]

As a victim of OLE compatibility/stability, I also support the method
described here. You will find far fewer encumbrances to production
workflow by using the import-by-reference method...Kelly.

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views

OLE support does seem to be improved in FM 9, but given the history of
Microsoft support and the general high level of problems associated with
it,
I wouldn't ever consider using it in a production environment. (In
passing,
the reason SP3 "broke" OLE was because the fix plugged a hole that was
supposed to allow remote execution on the host machine.)

Generating a PDF or PNG from Visio is quick and importing it by
reference in
Frame is easy. If something changes in the graphic, you can export from
Visio to the same file name and it'll all just continue to work.

Art

Art Campbell
         art.campbell at gmail.com
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and a
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Dov Isaacs <isaacs at adobe.com> wrote:

> On the off-chance that you were not joking and on behalf of Adobe,
> let me assure you that Adobe has no "built-in timer in FM itself" for
> any purpose of forcing users to upgrade to "make money selling
upgrades."
>
> The only so called "timers" in any Adobe products are associated with
> controlling test releases and trial versions of our products.
>
> And NO, FrameMaker 9 does NOT officially support Visio. It supports
OLE
> and to the degree that a particular combination of Visio and Windows
works
> together to specification, Visio is "supported" in that manner.
Personally,
> given Microsoft's tepid support for OLE these days, I would more
likely
> recommend playing Russian Roulette than using OLE with FrameMaker or
any
> other application!
>
>        - Dov
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 PM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Combs, Richard
> > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
> >
> > Dear Richard Combs,
> >
> > I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a
message
> realated to Visio sometime
> > around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good
> responses, but there was no real
> > solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered
> something in the OS which caused FM
> > to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort
of
> built-in timer in FM itself.
> > (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!)
> >
> > Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does
have
> the application
> > overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier.
Some
> of our  engineering drawings
> > are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that
format.
> >
> > Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio.
I
> will download the trial version
> > and try it and see how it works.
> >
> > Again, thanks for sharing you experience.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal
> > Sr. Technical Writer
> >
> > Atheros Communications, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
wrote:
> >
> > From: Combs, Richard <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
> > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
> > To: tnahal99 at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:50 PM
> >
> > Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote:
> >
> > > We are a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP
platform.
> > > Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import any
Visio
> > > drawings. There seems to be no known cure for it with the current
> setup.
> > > Maybe it was automatic Windows SP upgrade that did the mischief.
It
> > > suddenly stopped accepting Visio drawings in their native format
> (.vsd).
> > > The situation is so bad that even if we can import a Visio
drawing, we
> are
> > > not able to save the document until we purge that drawing!
> >
> > FM has _never_ been able to import native Visio files. You weren't
> > previously importing _files_, you were importing OLE2 _objects_
(complete
> with
> > all the Visio application overhead and potential instability). If
you
> moved an
> > FM file containing those OLE2 links onto a PC that didn't have Visio
> > installed, the links would be broken, even if the Visio files were
there.
> The
> > links open Visio.
> >
> > IMHO, OLE linking and embedding was never a very good idea except
for
> casual,
> > occasional use.
> >
> > There was some discussion on this list a while ago about an XP
upgrade
> that
> > introduced the more serious problem you're seeing. Use Google to
search
> the
> > archives (by adding "site:lists.frameusers.com" after your search
> > string) for posts about Visio import.
> >
> > I don't think upgrading to FM 9 will solve your problem. Unless it
was
> > added very late in the development cycle (I haven't used the
released
> > version), FM 9 doesn't have a Visio file import filter either.
> >
> > Assuming you have the full version of Acrobat, the best way to
include
> Visio
> > drawings is to make PDFs and import those into FM. Your archive
search
> should
> > turn up a post or three of mine discussing this.
> >
> > All that said, upgrading to FM 9 offers a number of other benefits.
It
> supports
> > Unicode (introduced in FM 8), which is a big deal if your docs need
to be
> > translated. It has a very slick, highly configurable new interface.
It
> can
> > import comments/edits from a review PDF and manage them through the
Track
> Text
> > Edits feature. Books are much more flexible in FM 9 -- they can be
> nested,
> > contain folders, etc. And there's lots of new stuff relating to
> structure,
> > all of which means nothing to me right now. :-)
> >
> > FM 9 can open older FM docs, but it can only save back to FM 8 (in
binary
> > form). You can save as a 7.2-compatible MIF file, however. Any older
> files you
> > open, templates or not, are converted to FM 9 format when you save
them.
> >
> > So by all means, upgrade. But you'll still need to change your
workflow
> > regarding Visio.
> >
> > PDF, I tell you! PDF! :-)
> >
> > Richard
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