translating into Icelandic and Serbian?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Leigh,

We're getting there! ;-)

You are right, there is nothing really that FM can do as to
hyphenation and spellchecking in Icelandic. But let's say the text has
already been spellchecked, and only the hypenating is remaining. I
tried a special multi-national hyphenation tool, which at that time
(2007) did more wrong than right, but it could be checked out again.
It just adds soft hyphens everywhere possible and then FM can (with
setting to No Language) do the rest.
Otherwise, the text would need to be hyphenated by hand. A possible
"solution" would be to mif the document(s) and send to a TeX editor
which probably could make use of aspell or ispell for the hypenations,
and then export back as mif. I am not sure whether the text would
include the soft hyphens correctly.

I have just revisited Scribus (www.scribus.net). It is an XML based
DTP and should be able to import XML documents (I have not tested any
such features). It also has a built-in hyphenator for several
languages, including Icelandic.

If you think I could be of any help in this matter, I would be happy
to look into it.

Bodvar

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2010/3/23 LW White <lwwhite5 at hotmail.com>:
> Hi Bodvar,
>
> I saw your name several times as I was researching this issue. I'm not sure
> I understand you correctly either, so let me explain myself more fully and
> perhaps that will clarify for both of us. I apologize in advance if I tell
> you what you already know. I am designing the EDD and templates for this
> group. The translator will be producing the non-English documents. I am
> setting the EDD up so that, based on the xml:lang attribute of the parent
> topic, the text in all of the child elements is associated with a certain
> language in Frame for the purposes of hyphenation, spell-checking, etc. Of
> the 30 languages this client translates to, only Icelandic and Serbian do
> not have corresponding elements that I can select for the EDD. This means,
> if I am correct, that while the text itself will not be affected (as long as
> the font and Unicode are correct), the hyphenation and a few other things
> might be off. My question, then, is what can I do (or can I do anything on
> my side) to help ensure these items are correct.
>
> It sounds as though at least for Icelandic, the answer is no. I cannot
> imagine why Adobe grouped Icelandic in with Eastern European languages. If
> they were going to group with anything, you would think it would be with
> other Scandanavian languages (though Icelandic is quite in a category by
> itself even then!) Serbian, at least, I can likely classify with Croat
> (political issues aside!)
>
> I think the translator can handle the spell-checking just as you describe.
> The hyphenation, on the other hand, is strictly a Frame matter. I need to
> have my client contact the agency and see what they have been doing in the
> past (they have been producing in all of the languages for some time with
> unstructured Frame 7.1).
>
> Thanks for your input and I will definitely keep you in mind as an Icelandic
> resource. I will also keep you posted on the eventual resolution of this
> issue.
>
> Best,
> Leigh
>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:10:43 +0000
>> Subject: Re: translating into Icelandic and Serbian?
>> From: bodvar at gmail.com
>> To: lwwhite5 at hotmail.com
>> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>
>> I am not quite sure I understand you correctly, but then just respond
>> accordingly.
>>
>> You will not find anything approximating Icelandic. You can set the
>> quotes to German quotes. That is the Icelandic convention too.
>> I don't have FM9. I tried FM8 a couple of years ago, but it was too
>> limited, and I have since not had any reason to try FM9 out, so I
>> really don't have much comparison, but having full UTF-8 support, it
>> should do a fine thing.
>>
>> Adobe has, however, not added support for Icelandic for this Latin-1
>> group language for FM. They have (some) Icelandic support in ID, but
>> spin us up with Eastern Europe languages which are not the least
>> related (except being Indo-European). So no spellchecking, no
>> automatic hyphenation and no Thesaurus.
>>
>> There might be a way around this to save in XML and do the
>> spellchecking in some Linux/UNIX XML editor using i-spell or a-spell.
>> Hunspell for Icelandic is in the pipes, hopefully ready some time
>> next year.
>>
>> I would be happy to look into this with you if you like. I have been
>> using Structured FM7.2 for three different layouts of Icelandic New
>> Testament, Psalms and Proverbia for the Icelandic Gideons.
>>
>> XML language settings are IS/is for Icelandic.
>>
>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>> Iceland.
>>
>>
>> 2010/3/23 LW White <lwwhite5 at hotmail.com>:
>> >
>> >
>> > Using Frame9, DITA. A client translates into Icelandic and Serbian
>> > (among many other languages) but these are the only two that do not have
>> > corresponding Language values. What should be my approach--should I select
>> > the "closest" available language (that being a gray area, I fear) or is
>> > there some plug-in I should install? I installed support for all languages
>> > when I installed Frame. What are folks translating into these languages
>> > currently doing?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Leigh
>> >
>
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