Importing Formats in Frame 8
Stacy Donaldson
sdonaldson at aastra.com
Wed Feb 9 07:01:55 PST 2011
Hi there
I have a document in Frame 7, when I try to import the formats from a
new document, the text in the original document turns florescent green
and is crossed out. I cant seem to reformat it. Has anyone encountered
this before?
Thanks
Stacy
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:02:35 +0100
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Hello Angela,
I don't know which 'entry points' Word generates when creating (html)
output from it for a heading 1 for example, but that can easily be found
out by generating a Word doc. As an emergency solution you can then use
the "pass through" option in Frame/Webworks to type a working link in
Framemaker. You then have to leave the idea of perfect single-sourcing
behind however...
Regards,
Tom
Tom De Rouck
SGS Documentation Services
Technical Writer
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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:38:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Writer <generic668 at yahoo.ca>
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Angela already asked this question on the WebWorks forum, but I
suggested that she ask the question here, too, since it's not strictly
an ePublisher question.
Forget the ePublisher side of things for now. I'd like to know if you
can link/xref/whatever from a point INSIDE an FM file to a point INSIDE
a Word file, and vice versa.
Nadine
--- On Fri, 2/4/11, Steve Johnson <chinaski69 at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Steve Johnson <chinaski69 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hyperlinking Between Frame and MS Word Source
> To: "Angela Akridge" <angela.akridge at gmail.com>
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 7:12 PM I'm copying Bell Allums from
> WebWorks. There probably is a way but I can't recall it.
>
> You can also post this on the WebWorks user forum, which is a Yahoo
> user group, search for it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Angela Akridge
> <angela.akridge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know most, if not all of you, love Frame and would
> never consider using MS
> > Word. I too use Frame for most of my projects.
> >
> > However, I have MS Word files that need to be
> maintained by other authors
> > (technical support), and these same files are used in
> my online help.
> >
> > I basically have a "hybrid" help system that calls
> both Frame source and MS
> > Word source. I use WebWorks. The help output looks
> great, and a customer
> > can't distinguish the underlying source. However, I
> need to link
> > (cross-reference/hyperlink) between these two
> sources.
> >
> > Is there a way to link from a Frame source (H1) to an
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:33:39 -0500
From: "White, Scott" <SWhite at alamark.com>
To: "Brad Anderson" <brad at frameusers.com>
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Subject: RE: Registration marks missing
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Ok I am missing something. I have generate acrobat data turned off.
Final output is 11x17.
My steps are:
*Select adobe acrobat as my printer.
*Turn off generate acrobat data
*Save as pdf from the drop down menu in Frame *Select page size *Print
What am I missing?
Scott White
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Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
Scott,
What was the final size of the PDF? 11x17 or 8.5 x 11? Turn off the
Generate Acrobat Data--the PDF is probably being cropped.
Thanks,
Brad
On Feb 4, 2011, at 1:46 PM, White, Scott wrote:
> I was trying to do a pdf output for print with Registration marks. I
> didn't get any marks in the rendered PDF.
> I used save as pdf, selected registration marks western, printed to
> 11x17 output just to see, and I got all I expected but the
registration
> marks.
>
> Mac OS10 running parallels > window 7 home premium. Framemaker 9.0.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Scott White
> Manager - Content and Print Media
> Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:15:35 -0600
From: Brad Anderson <brad at frameusers.com>
To: "White, Scott" <SWhite at alamark.com>
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Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
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Scott,
If the final page size is 11 x 17, you'll have to set up a custom page
size (add an inch to both size so the final page size is 12 x 18).
You'll need the extra inch around the page to add the registration
marks.
If this fails, try printing to PS and then distill instead of saving to
PDF.
Do the registration marks now show?
Thanks,
Brad
On Feb 7, 2011, at 7:33 AM, White, Scott wrote:
> Ok I am missing something. I have generate acrobat data turned off.
> Final output is 11x17.
> My steps are:
> *Select adobe acrobat as my printer.
> *Turn off generate acrobat data
> *Save as pdf from the drop down menu in Frame *Select page size *Print
>
> What am I missing?
>
>
>
>
> Scott White
> Manager - Content and Print Media
> Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
>
>
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> To: White, Scott
> Cc: Brad Anderson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
>
> Scott,
>
> What was the final size of the PDF? 11x17 or 8.5 x 11? Turn off the
> Generate Acrobat Data--the PDF is probably being cropped.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2011, at 1:46 PM, White, Scott wrote:
>
>> I was trying to do a pdf output for print with Registration marks. I
>> didn't get any marks in the rendered PDF.
>> I used save as pdf, selected registration marks western, printed to
>> 11x17 output just to see, and I got all I expected but the
> registration
>> marks.
>>
>> Mac OS10 running parallels > window 7 home premium. Framemaker 9.0.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Scott White
>> Manager - Content and Print Media
>> Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
>>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:02:50 -0500
From: "Eric Geissinger" <egeissinger at stny.rr.com>
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Please help me stop weeping... (sub-documents when converting
to HTML)
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I get this completely irritating message 50 times every time I convert
my document to HTML:
"Cannot find a heading element for a section that is being converted to
a sub-document. The top-level document will not contain a link to the
sub-document. OK to continue?"
I hit OK a billion times, weeping with frustration, and the result is
fine. I just can't hit OK that much. I'll end up with carpel tunnel.
Plus this is just a small test book. I can't hit OK 2000 times for the
real book.
The reason is clear but yet unclear to me.
I am saving a structured book into HTML and told Frame via the HTML
conversion tables in the reference pages (for the book), that I want new
pages to start on various elements. Fine. I map the elements to
various HTML tags. OK. The thing is I don't really WANT Frame to
automatically include links to the subdocument in the HTML.
Why?
Read on my friends...
For example, if my Frame document has a page like this:
(Frame chapter)
+++Functions follow+++++
These functions are really great. Check them out.
This is a link to Function A
This is a link to Function B
This is a link to Function C
Thank for reading, enjoy your functions.
+++End of Functions++++
That is kinda how the start of the chapter goes. After this overview
page are the functions themselves on new pages, first Function A, then
B, etc.
Now, since "Function A" is a link to the function which starts a new
page (in the book), I don't want this link automatically reincluded when
it is saved to HTML. Because then I get:
(HTML OUTPUT)
+++Functions follow+++++
These functions are really great. Check them out.
This is a link to Function A
This is a link to Function B
This is a link to Function C
Thank for reading, enjoy your functions.
+++End of Functions++++
(---> auto-inserted by HTML conversion) Link to Function A (--->
auto-inserted by HTML conversion) Link to Function B (---> auto-inserted
by HTML conversion) Link to Function C
Where the last three are the "automatic" links that the HTML conversion
puts in there for me. So now there are two full sets of links on the
page both of which work. Ugh.
Not wanted. I want the HTML conversion to "generate" a new page without
actually inserting a link for me, since the link is already there in the
actual Frame document.
So what I have done is NOT map the Function "start new page" elements to
HTML headings (instead to Body), which stops the HTML conversion from
adding the link to the sub-document.
So that is why I get all them messages.
My question: can I suppress the messages via the Frame .ini file or
something, or is there another, better way to do what I am trying to do
which also suppresses these annoying messages?
Is there a way to tell the HTML conversion: "Make a new web page when
you get to this element, but DO NOT add a link to the subdocument?"
Many, many thanks. I just can't take it anymore.
--EG
================
Eric Geissinger
================
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:05:53 -0600
From: Mike Wickham <info at mikewickham.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
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On 2/7/2011 7:33 AM, White, Scott wrote:
> Ok I am missing something. I have generate acrobat data turned off.
> Final output is 11x17.
> My steps are:
> *Select adobe acrobat as my printer.
> *Turn off generate acrobat data
> *Save as pdf from the drop down menu in Frame *Select page size *Print
>
> What am I missing?
Did you set your page size large enough to hold the registration marks?
If the document is 11x17, you need to set the page size to something
like 12x18 to provide room to show the registration marks.
Mike Wickham
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:31:08 -0500
From: "White, Scott" <SWhite at alamark.com>
To: "Mike Wickham" <info at mikewickham.com>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Registration marks missing
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My document is 8.5 x 11. I'm printing to an exaggerated page size 11 x17
to show the bleeds.
This is the way I have done it in years past.
I know its got to be something I'm doing in this new version. I've got
to be missing a step.
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
On 2/7/2011 7:33 AM, White, Scott wrote:
> Ok I am missing something. I have generate acrobat data turned off.
> Final output is 11x17.
> My steps are:
> *Select adobe acrobat as my printer.
> *Turn off generate acrobat data
> *Save as pdf from the drop down menu in Frame *Select page size *Print
>
> What am I missing?
Did you set your page size large enough to hold the registration marks?
If the document is 11x17, you need to set the page size to something
like 12x18 to provide room to show the registration marks.
Mike Wickham
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:29:19 -0500
From: "White, Scott" <SWhite at alamark.com>
To: "Brad Anderson" <brad at frameusers.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Registration marks missing
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All your suggestions do not work for save as PDF with Registration
Marks.
But, when I use the print option with Adobe PDF as my printer it works.
Has anyone else run Save as PDF and gotten registration marks?
However, I was under the impression that printing to PDF is not the
right way to create a color "print-ready" pdf. Colors are all off.
Second, I have access to Frame on the Mac and I'm just wondering if it
would be safer to use that knowing I will get the color and output I
expect. This is our new company's first 1,000-page catalog and want to
avoid every pitfall I can.
Could I do this catalog in Frame 9, save as .mif 7 and open on the old
Mac version to do my color output? A thought.
Again, the color frustrations raise their ugly heads with Frame.
For those who may have missed:
Mac OS 10.6.6 running parallels, Frame 9.0 on Windows 7 Home Premium
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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From: Brad Anderson [mailto:brad at frameusers.com]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:16 AM
To: White, Scott
Cc: Brad Anderson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
Scott,
If the final page size is 11 x 17, you'll have to set up a custom page
size (add an inch to both size so the final page size is 12 x 18).
You'll need the extra inch around the page to add the registration
marks.
If this fails, try printing to PS and then distill instead of saving to
PDF.
Do the registration marks now show?
Thanks,
Brad
On Feb 7, 2011, at 7:33 AM, White, Scott wrote:
Ok I am missing something. I have generate acrobat data turned off.
Final output is 11x17.
My steps are:
*Select adobe acrobat as my printer.
*Turn off generate acrobat data
*Save as pdf from the drop down menu in Frame *Select page size *Print
What am I missing?
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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From: Brad Anderson [mailto:brad at frameusers.com]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 5:20 PM
To: White, Scott
Cc: Brad Anderson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Registration marks missing
Scott,
What was the final size of the PDF? 11x17 or 8.5 x 11? Turn off the
Generate Acrobat Data--the PDF is probably being cropped.
Thanks,
Brad
On Feb 4, 2011, at 1:46 PM, White, Scott wrote:
I was trying to do a pdf output for print with Registration marks. I
didn't get any marks in the rendered PDF.
I used save as pdf, selected registration marks western, printed
to
11x17 output just to see, and I got all I expected but the
registration
marks.
Mac OS10 running parallels > window 7 home premium. Framemaker
9.0.
Thoughts?
Scott White
Manager - Content and Print Media
Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:01:55 -0800
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
To: "generic668 at yahoo.ca" <generic668 at yahoo.ca>,
"framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Hyperlinking Between Frame and MS Word Source
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Writer wrote:
> Forget the ePublisher side of things for now. I'd like to know if you
> can link/xref/whatever from a point INSIDE an FM file to a point
> INSIDE a Word file, and vice versa.
Are you really wanting to link to a place inside a Word file, or are you
wanting to link to a place inside a help file whose _source_ is Word?
Angela was wanting to do the latter. As I pointed out, that's easily
done using a hypertext command in FM, e.g.:
Message URL SomeHTMLPage.html#12345
In the HTML output (I'm assuming some kind of HTML-based help system
here), this turns into something like this:
<a href="SomeHTMLPage.html#12345">Link</a>
In the Word source for the destination HTML page, you need to do
something to add an anchor tag to the intended destination, e.g.:
<a name="12345">Destination of Link</a>
I know how to do that in FM, but not in Word -- although I'm sure
there's a way, maybe using bookmarks.
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:35:30 -0500
From: "Rick Quatro" <rick at rickquatro.com>
To: "'Eric Geissinger'" <egeissinger at stny.rr.com>,
<framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Please help me stop weeping... (sub-documents when
converting to HTML)
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Hi Eric,
Although this won't solve your underlying problem, it will press the
button for you:
http://www.ptfbpro.com/
There is also a free version available. Please let me know if you have
any questions or comments. Thank you very much.
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
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