Hi Rick, Did you hear about the STC Chicago Competition? The deadline for entry is 11/4/11. I still can't post to the list...my e-mail just go to the abyss. Thought perhaps the framers might be interested in entering. Thanks, Jess Jessica Davis Technical Writer 28100 Cabot Drive, Suite 200 Novi, MI 48377 P: 248-374-9652 F: 248-374-9620 www.federalapd.com