Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

Mon Sep 10 10:23:17 PDT 2012

Lisa,
With structured Frame, content and formatting are separate. After you create the content, you run the style sheet script (XSLT or XSL-Fo) and it formats it. When you send someone the raw XML file, there won't be formatting. They need to apply the style sheet script as well. Unless of course, you create a finished product like a PDF, then they'll see the formatting you designed.

-Gillian

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:45 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

Hello Again All,

The project that I was working on below (created structured templates and EDD for use to convert unstructured to structured Frame) is now in the hands of the end users. They are having an issue with the paragraph formatting not "sticking" when they apply it in their new document (the structured template). This appears to be a sporadic issue within the same document.

(FrameMaker 10)

For instance,

Header style (contains numbering reset)

1.       Step

2.       Step

3.       Step
Header style

1.       Step

2.       Step

3.       Step
Header style (the auto-numbering disappears from the style here)

4.       Step

5.       Step
Header style

1.       Step

2.       Step

Has anyone seen behavior before?
If the user changes the affected para to Body and then re-applies the format, "most" of the time it's right.
Any ideas on where we can start to look?

Thanks in advance!
Lisa

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]> On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 07 04, 2012 10:59 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED

Hello All,

Rick was kind enough to work with me on this issue and I am back on track (for the time being anyway). He suggested adding the formatting into my EDD using the textformat structures.

I greatly appreciate everyone's input. This list rocks!

Lisa

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM
To: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Hi Rick,

I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They're now all <body> again.

It was a good idea though!
Thank you,
Lisa

From: Rick Quatro [mailto:rick at rickquatro.com]
Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM
To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Hi Lisa,

Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File > Import > Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com<mailto:rick at frameexpert.com>

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Hello All,

FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh).

The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema.  When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph's formatting properties. Everything turns to "body" and we have to reapply the format.

We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can't stray from the structure. We've looked at Read\Write rules but they don't appear to help in this case. We've also looked at using the "TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag" options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element.

Does anyone have any other ideas?

BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc.

Thank you in advance!

Sincerely,
Lisa Freeman
Publication Support Analyst

E-mail: lfreeman at oneil.com<mailto:lfreeman at oneil.com>

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