CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just)

[Cathy Giddens]

For what it's worth, after years of trying to figure out the latest version of distiller options - always under deadline pressure! - for the last 6 years or so I've just uploaded a huge ps file to the printers ftp or more recently dropbox acct, and let them sort it out. I send them a pdf as well, to show how it's meant to turn out, and a paper dummy as well for ad placement etc.

I'm signing off the list at the end of this week, I'm leaving the job and the company is shutting down the book I've done for the last 19 years, the last 18 of it in Framemaker, and I can't take the FM licence with me (tried but no was the answer). I might sign back in on my personal email after we get back from the Austrian ski trip in February.

Thank you all for all the help I've had from reading this list, I've learnt lots from you all, plus it's been great to be part of the FM community, which is a bit thin on the ground down here in New Zealand. Did find some Kiwi users through the list too. 

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:40:46 -0600
From: "Davis, David" <David.Davis at invensys.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just)
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Fair enough, Steve.
Although in all seriousness, I wonder is it worth trying some other print-houses?
The one you're using seems to think it's still 1983 :) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 December 2013 16:18
To: Davis, David; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just)

At 02:55 -0600 13/12/13, Davis, David wrote:

>Not wanting to be contrary here, but why does the PDF have to be only grayscale, just because it's going to be printed in black and white? Surely the printer driver should be perfectly capable of making intelligent decisions about converting the colours to grey.

Apparently not - I've tried it.

>(And, indeed, it will make better decisions than you can earlier in the chain, cos it will know more about the output device).

Actually, for all the book's I've sent to press, I've known more or less nothing about the output device(S) - I just get a pre-press spec from the printers, which often takes the form of a Distiller jobspec file. However, I do know a range of things that must not be in the pre-press file, such as hairlines. And color ;-)

>I mean, for instance, any domestic or office printer in existence will happily print in greyscale if you feed it a colour file (there's usually a checkbox somewhere in the print dialog). I'm sure most of us do and see this every day.  I appreciate some things look better than others when neutered like this (some hues of colour won't give very good contrast against each other in grey) ... but the remedy for that is more in choosing the colours in the first place, not in some fancy 'conversion to greyscale' process. For instance I can't think that green text on an orange background is ever going to be very clear in greyscale, no matter what point in the chain you convert it.

Well I'm not going to argue with you, but I have a pre-press spec to work to, and it disallowed C, M and Y channel data.

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Steve

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