The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists

Wed Jun 19 12:01:20 PDT 2013

We had never been able to solve the problem with bad TOC line wrapping until Shlomo Perets posted the solution here last year:

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:47:09 +0200
From: Shlomo Perets <shlomo2 at microtype.com>
To: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: trick for wrapping headings in TOC?
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Robert,

You wrote:

>TOC paragraph tags in this project have a single Right tab stop at the 
>right margin.
>
>If a heading is just the wrong length, only the page number is bumped 
>the next line and appears at the left margin. If it's enough longer 
>that a word wraps to the next line, the page number is at the right 
>place.
>
>Is there a fix for this other than the kludge of putting a non-breaking 
>space between the last two words of the heading?
>
>foo . . . . . . . . . . 1
>bar bar bar bar bar
>2
>bar bar bar bar bar
>  bar . . . . . . . . . 3

For the TOC paragraph tags:
Specify a value such as 200% for Minimum Word Spacing (Pgf Designer, Advanced tab); make it higher or lower to adjust the "wrap region" as needed.

In the TOC reference page, TOC flow:
Specify an additional tab between <$paratext> and <$pagenum>, eg <$paratext>\t\t<$pagenum>
(note: I prefer using \t instead of the Tab character as it is always visible; the tab itself is used on the body page and may not be interpreted  properly in the Ref page anyway because of the different column width)

Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
FrameMaker/TCS training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:44:02 -0400
From: Jay Mahler <jay at mahler.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists
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I'm not sure what you mean by "isn't this just as simple as changing the paragraph setting of your second and subsequent lines to start at the point of the end of the leader dot's of the first line?"  If I understand what you are saying, wouldn't we end up with a long indent on those lines?

On Jerilynne's comment, 

"Another way I've done this is to insert at least 3 tab characters (not tab
stops) before the page number. Maybe that will give you a bit of automation for those long entries.

... Jerilynne means, "on the reference page" for the TOC or other generated file."

this is something that I tried long ago, and it never worked for me. As a matter of fact these LOT and LOF reference page entries already had three tab characters in them. Adding more didn't help.  

Again, the problem arises when the title is just long enough to break the line before the chapter-page number without bringing any text to the second line. The only solution that appears to work reliably is to put a variable with several em spaces as its definition. On some titles, adding non-breaking space(s) to bring one or more words to the second line improves readability. 

Jay Mahler
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On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:01 PM, "framers-request at lists.frameusers.com" <framers-request at lists.frameusers.com> wrote:

> RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:52:58 +0000
From: Mary Jo Dockman <mdockman at tmghealth.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: FrameMaker to Confluence via WebWorks
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Has anyone taken FrameMaker source files and used WebWorks ePublisher to import the content to a Confluence wiki?   If so, besides the initial set up of stationary and page formats, is the process fairly effortless?   If you make changes in the source FrameMaker files, and go through WebWorks ePublisher to Confluence again, do you need to clean-up the wiki each time?  Currently, I'm using FM 11 for the source user guide files and we have Confluence 5.1.2.

I tried to convert the FM files to RTF and then import them to Confluence, but there's a lot of clean up and the numbered steps turn into bullets. It's not worth the pain.  I also have the Tech Comm Suite 4, so I do have RoboHelp and am going to try converting the FM files to a Word printout via RoboHelp and then importing the Word document into Confluence.

Just trying to find the cleanest and least painful avenue for getting FM source files into Confluence, since we'll be maintaining the source files in FM for each release.

Thanks for any help or feedback,
Mary Jo
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:20:23 -0700
From: <sales at lachivaquemada.com>
To: "'Rick Quatro'" <rick at rickquatro.com>,	"'Theresa de Valence'"
	<TdeV at bstw.com>
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Steve Rickaby mentioned a series of articles on migrating from unstructured to structured FrameMaker. Went to Steve's LinkedIn page but didn't see a download link. I'm interested in downloading the articles and would appreciate instructions on where to download them. 
Thanks,
Barbara

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Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 05:50 PM
To: 'Theresa de Valence'
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Subject: RE: Query about what happens in structured Frame

Hi Theresa,

I wouldn't spend a lot of time with conversion tables, unless it is just for educational purposes. The idea (as I understand it) is for you to take the XHTML that is generated from Access and then open that with structured FrameMaker, using your modified XHTML application. There is no reason to structure unstructured FrameMaker content if you can directly from Access XHTML to FrameMaker.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:54 PM
To: Steve Rickaby
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame

On 6/15/2013 11:19 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> you can download
> a series of articles from my LinkedIn page on migrating from 
> unstructured FrameMaker to structured FrameMaker.

Thanks, Steve, these articles have really been useful which I have been reading alongside the Adobe Structured Application Dev Guide for v.8 Frame.

I've reached the conversion tables (Structure Tools, Generate Conversion
tables) and I have modified the generated table, but I cannot figure out how to "let it run to completion."

What do I do to get Frame to attempt to process the table against my unstructured file?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:29:50 -0700
From: Karen Robbins <karendesign at gmail.com>
To: <craigede at hotmail.com>, framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Problem Proof Printing Grayscale Photos
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Because that's an extra step that I'd prefer not to spend extra time on while still in early proofing stages. And because Frame should work correctly--and/or I should know how to prepare image files properly so that Frame does work correctly. :-)

--Karen

At 7:03 PM -0500 6/18/13, Craig Ede wrote:
>Why not print save your output as PDF and print that PDF to the Xerox printer?
>
>
>>Hi Framers,
>>
>>Several grayscale image files in my FM 11 document appear tinted 
>>slightly purple when output through my color Xerox printer. (They 
>>appear correct on-screen.) Looks as though it only happens to .tif 
>>files. The files were output from Photoshop CS6 or 5; they are 
>>definitely grayscale with no layers. This doesn't happen with .eps 
>>photos.
>>
>>A saved PDF appears to print correctly--there is no tint to these same 
>>images.
>>
>>What's up?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Karen

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:10:19 +0100
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
To: <sales at lachivaquemada.com>, 'Rick Quatro' <rick at rickquatro.com>,
	'Theresa de Valence' <TdeV at bstw.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Update from LinkedIn...

At 02:15 -0500 19/6/13, LinkedIn Customer Support wrote:
>What you've encountered is a known issue and I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. The Rich Media capability was recently rolled out to an extended set of accounts during a testing phase and unfortunately we had to roll this capability back for the time being.
> 
>Our engineering team is working on it but there's no estimate as to how long that might take. We'll do our best to keep you posted.

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Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:08:55 +0100
From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
To: <sales at lachivaquemada.com>, 'Rick Quatro' <rick at rickquatro.com>,
	'Theresa de Valence' <TdeV at bstw.com>
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At 18:20 -0700 18/6/13, <sales at lachivaquemada.com> wrote:

>Steve Rickaby mentioned a series of articles on migrating from unstructured
>to structured FrameMaker. Went to Steve's LinkedIn page but didn't see a
>download link. I'm interested in downloading the articles and would
>appreciate instructions on where to download them.

I am chasing this up with LinkedIn - their last page redesign seems to have made the file download tool invisible. I am happy to send a copy of the articles to anyone who wants them.

I ought to make it clear that the articles aren't specifically about *migrating* documentation to structured FrameMaker: apologies if I mis-worded. They are intended to provide a basic introduction to structured FrameMaker for people already familiar with unstructured FrameMaker. I wrote them to be the simple guide I wanted when I first started using structured FrameMaker, but could not find.

-- 
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet]

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:57:08 -0500
From: Mike Wickham <info at mikewickham.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Problem Proof Printing Grayscale Photos
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See if changing this setting helps: Right-click on your printer, choose 
Printing Preferences, then Color Options tab, then Advanced Options 
button. Check "Use Pure Black."  (You can also set this via Printer 
Properties> Advanced> Printing Defaults> Color Options> Advanced 
Options, which might be the way to set it permanently. I don't remember.)

Here's from Xerox help:
Advanced Options Dialog Box

  * sRGB Neutral Grays: Select how the printer creates black and grays
    when using an sRGB color correction:

      o Automatic Black: Only uses black toner or ink for black and gray
        text and line art. Uses composite black for the black and gray
        portions of photos and images.
      o Use Pure Black: Only uses black toner or ink for black and gray
        portions of photos, images, and text.
      o Use Composite Black: Always uses composite black (a mixture of
        cyan, magenta, and yellow toner or ink) for the black and gray
        portions of text, line art, photos, and images.

Mike Wickham

On 6/18/2013 5:46 PM, Karen Robbins wrote:
> Hi Framers,
>
> Several grayscale image files in my FM 11 document appear tinted 
> slightly purple when output through my color Xerox printer. (They 
> appear correct on-screen.) Looks as though it only happens to .tif 
> files. The files were output from Photoshop CS6 or 5; they are 
> definitely grayscale with no layers. This doesn't happen with .eps 
> photos.
>
> A saved PDF appears to print correctly--there is no tint to these same 
> images.

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