[Framers] (External):Framers Digest, Vol 122, Issue 7
Alex Lukes
Alex.Lukes at sce.com
Mon May 9 09:50:14 PDT 2016
Hello Julie,
If I understand your need correctly, here is my suggested solution. It's based on FrameMaker 11, but I think it will work in FrameMaker 12:
1. Bring up Find/Change and choose Conditional Text, then select Conditional Text Tag C.
2. Click Find to select the text with Tag C.
3. Click the title bar to reactivate the file.
4. Press Ctrl + 4 and choose Tag B and apply it to the text. After you apply Tag B, the text will still be selected.
5. Now press Ctrl + 5 and choose Tag C to remove it.
6. Press Ctrl + Shift + F to find the next occurrence of Tag C.
7. Repeat Steps 4 through 6 for all content in the file until you have applied Tag B and eliminated Tag C for all occurrences in the file.
8. After you are finished, display your list of Conditional Text tags, choose Tag C, and trash it.
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Alex Lukes
Communications Specialist
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1. Re: Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12 (Lin Sims)
2. Re: Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12 (jang at jang.nl)
3. Re: Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12 (Craig, Alison)
4. Re: Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12 (Robert Lauriston)
5. Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Austin Meredith)
6. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Fred Ridder)
7. Re: Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph (David Creamer)
8. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Robert Lauriston)
9. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Craig Ede)
10. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Robert Lauriston)
11. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Robert Lauriston)
12. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Craig Ede)
13. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Robert Lauriston)
14. Re: Searching for content in FrameMaker files (Ed Nodland)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 15:16:48 -0400
From: Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
To: Julie A Beste-Walz <beste-walzj at dteenergy.com>
Cc: Frame Users <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
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Find some text tagged with Condition B. Edit > Copy Special > Conditional Text Settings Then Edit > Find Change; Select Conditional Text from the Find list, move Condition C into the "In" window, select By Pasting in the To list, then Find & Change All.
Or Find, then Change, rinse and repeat if you want to be sure you're changing the right thing.
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Julie A Beste-Walz < beste-walzj at dteenergy.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario.
> I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files.
> One of these conditional text tags was created and applied
> inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2
> conditional text tags.
> For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B,
> and Conditional Text C.
> The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied
> and only tagged as Conditional Text B so that I can delete the
> Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C.
> Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text
> tag but that didn't work.
>
> Julie Beste-Walz
> Licensing Analyst
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 21:30:18 +0200
From: <jang at jang.nl>
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
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Hi Julie,
I think this calls for scripting, as there is no way to redefine the current conditional tags to an already existing one. the scripting environment is included in FM since version 10. If there are enough tags it might be worth your time or budget to either do the scripting yourself or get an experienced scripter to do it for you. I am too busy but you can ask Rick Quatro. He knows his way around the FM scripting jungle. I am guessing he might respond pretty quickly to this message.
Good luck
Jang
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 13:11:52 -0400
> From: Julie A Beste-Walz <<beste-walzj at dteenergy.com>>
> To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario.
> I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files.
> One of these conditional text tags was created and applied
> inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2 conditional text tags.
> For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and Conditional Text C.
> The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and only tagged as Conditional Text B so
> that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C.
> Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag but that didn't work.
>
> Julie Beste-Walz
> Licensing Analyst
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 21:47:40 +0000
From: "Craig, Alison" <acraig at bkultrasound.com>
To: Julie A Beste-Walz <beste-walzj at dteenergy.com>,
"framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
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Couldn't this be done in the MIF file with Find/Replace?
I'm sure there's someone out there with a lot more MIF experience than I have who could speak to this option? (I have done a few large "fixes" in the MIF for other issues but only after a Frame expert from this list has offered guidance on how to go about it.)
Alison
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Subject: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario.
I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files.
One of these conditional text tags was created and applied inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2 conditional text tags.
For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and Conditional Text C.
The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and only tagged as Conditional Text B so that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C.
Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag but that didn't work.
Julie Beste-Walz
Licensing Analyst
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 15:27:27 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
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I believe in MIF you could simply replace <InCondition `C'> with
<InCondition `B'>.
On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Craig, Alison <acraig at bkultrasound.com> wrote:
> Couldn't this be done in the MIF file with Find/Replace?
>
> I'm sure there's someone out there with a lot more MIF experience than I have who could speak to this option? (I have done a few large "fixes" in the MIF for other issues but only after a Frame expert from this list has offered guidance on how to go about it.)
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Julie A Beste-Walz
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 10:12 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario.
> I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files.
> One of these conditional text tags was created and applied inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2 conditional text tags.
> For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and Conditional Text C.
> The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and only tagged as Conditional Text B so that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C.
> Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag but that didn't work.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 09:28:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Austin Meredith <kouroo at kouroo.info>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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I don't seem to be able to persuade the File Explorer of Windows 10 to
find Boolean content inside FrameMaker2015 files. I've tried all the
obvious tricks such as making certain that the file suffixes ".fm" and
".frame" are included in the indexing list, and deleting and rebuilding
that indexing list. File Explorer will find the name "Thoreau" if it is
part of the FrameMaker file's filename such as "ThoreauINDEX.fm" and
will indeed find the name "Thoreau" when it is *inside* a '.txt" or
other file, but refuses to find the name "Thoreau" for me when it is
inside a ".fm" or ".frame" file. What am I doing wrong? -Austin
Meredith
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 13:57:51 +0000
From: Fred Ridder <DocuDoc at hotmail.com>
To: Austin Meredith <kouroo at kouroo.info>,
"framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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You're not doing anything wrong. It's just the way Windows works.
The ability to find text strings in the content of a file depends on Windows knowing how to decode the file (if it's a binary type) and parse the contents. Windows knows how to parse most common non-proprietary file formats, like TXT, RTF, HTML, PDF, and so on. And it knows how to parse the file formats used by Microsoft applications, like DOC, DOCX, XLS, VSD, PST. But there's no return on investment for Microsoft spending the effort to program Windows to parse non-Microsoft application file formats like those used by FrameMaker. Simply adding the filename extensions to the list of file types to be indexed does not teach Windows how to decode and parse the files. It's possible that Windows would figure out how to parse a MIF file, since it is text based rather than binary, but I would never expect Windows to be able to do full-text indexing on a .fm binary file.
-Fred Ridder
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Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 9:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
I don't seem to be able to persuade the File Explorer of Windows 10 to
find Boolean content inside FrameMaker2015 files. I've tried all the
obvious tricks such as making certain that the file suffixes ".fm" and
".frame" are included in the indexing list, and deleting and rebuilding
that indexing list. File Explorer will find the name "Thoreau" if it is
part of the FrameMaker file's filename such as "ThoreauINDEX.fm" and
will indeed find the name "Thoreau" when it is *inside* a '.txt" or
other file, but refuses to find the name "Thoreau" for me when it is
inside a ".fm" or ".frame" file. What am I doing wrong? -Austin
Meredith
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 08:45:22 -0700
From: "David Creamer" <ideaslists at ideastraining.com>
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumbering for a Fourth Level Paragraph
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I don't bother zeroing out subheadings. They default to zero automatically
whenever a higher level is changed.
Here is my typically chapnum setup:
Heading1: H:<$chapnum>.0\t
Heading2: H:<$chapnum>.<n+>\t
Heading3: H: <$chapnum>.<n>.<n+>\t
Heading4: H:<$chapnum>.<n>.<n>.<n+>\t
Heading5: H:<$chapnum>.<n>.<n>.<n+>\t
Heading6: H:<$chapnum>.<n>.<n>.<n>.<n>.<n+>\t
Of course, no other numbered list should use the H: label.
As long as your book numbering is setup up correctly, this has never failed
me.
David Creamer
IDEAS Training
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:01:26 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: Austin Meredith <kouroo at kouroo.info>,
"framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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Windows' search is garbage. I use Agent Ransack, a free search tool.
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:28 AM, Austin Meredith <kouroo at kouroo.info> wrote:
> I don't seem to be able to persuade the File Explorer of Windows 10 to
> find Boolean content inside FrameMaker2015 files. I've tried all the
> obvious tricks such as making certain that the file suffixes ".fm" and
> ".frame" are included in the indexing list, and deleting and rebuilding
> that indexing list. File Explorer will find the name "Thoreau" if it is
> part of the FrameMaker file's filename such as "ThoreauINDEX.fm" and
> will indeed find the name "Thoreau" when it is *inside* a '.txt" or
> other file, but refuses to find the name "Thoreau" for me when it is
> inside a ".fm" or ".frame" file. What am I doing wrong? -Austin
> Meredith
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 17:07:58 +0000
From: Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com>
To: framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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Even with MIF the text strings are often split in unknowable ways so search would be haphazard anyway.
Craig
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Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:57 AM
To: Austin Meredith; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
You're not doing anything wrong. It's just the way Windows works.
The ability to find text strings in the content of a file depends on Windows knowing how to decode the file (if it's a binary type) and parse the contents. Windows knows how to parse most common non-proprietary file formats, like TXT, RTF, HTML, PDF, and so on. And it knows how to parse the file formats used by Microsoft applications, like DOC, DOCX, XLS, VSD, PST. But there's no return on investment for Microsoft spending the effort to program Windows to parse non-Microsoft application file formats like those used by FrameMaker. Simply adding the filename extensions to the list of file types to be indexed does not teach Windows how to decode and parse the files. It's possible that Windows would figure out how to parse a MIF file, since it is text based rather than binary, but I would never expect Windows to be able to do full-text indexing on a .fm binary file.
-Fred Ridder
________________________________________
From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail.com at lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Austin Meredith <kouroo at kouroo.info>
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 9:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
I don't seem to be able to persuade the File Explorer of Windows 10 to
find Boolean content inside FrameMaker2015 files. I've tried all the
obvious tricks such as making certain that the file suffixes ".fm" and
".frame" are included in the indexing list, and deleting and rebuilding
that indexing list. File Explorer will find the name "Thoreau" if it is
part of the FrameMaker file's filename such as "ThoreauINDEX.fm" and
will indeed find the name "Thoreau" when it is *inside* a '.txt" or
other file, but refuses to find the name "Thoreau" for me when it is
inside a ".fm" or ".frame" file. What am I doing wrong? -Austin
Meredith
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:20:20 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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I haven't seen that. Unless there's a tag or marker or something in
the middle of a word it's always intact in an .fm file or exported
.mif.
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Even with MIF the text strings are often split in unknowable ways so search would be haphazard anyway.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:28:16 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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Agent Ransack and other good search utilities don't need to decode an
.fm file to find individual words. If you look at an .fm file in a
text editor, you can see that the text is not compressed or encrypted.
There are all kinds of control characters mixed in, so if you're
searching for a multi-word string a search utility might miss it.
If Windows search can't find the string Thoreau inside an .fm file,
that's because it's a poor excuse for a search utility.
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:57 AM, Fred Ridder <DocuDoc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> You're not doing anything wrong. It's just the way Windows works.
>
> The ability to find text strings in the content of a file depends on Windows knowing how to decode the file (if it's a binary type) and parse the contents. Windows knows how to parse most common non-proprietary file formats, like TXT, RTF, HTML, PDF, and so on. And it knows how to parse the file formats used by Microsoft applications, like DOC, DOCX, XLS, VSD, PST. But there's no return on investment for Microsoft spending the effort to program Windows to parse non-Microsoft application file formats like those used by FrameMaker. Simply adding the filename extensions to the list of file types to be indexed does not teach Windows how to decode and parse the files. It's possible that Windows would figure out how to parse a MIF file, since it is text based rather than binary, but I would never expect Windows to be able to do full-text indexing on a .fm binary file.
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 17:33:32 +0000
From: Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com>
To: framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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I suppose one might be searching on a phrase so breaks between words with intervening mif tags, etc would pose a problem. Sentences are often split in Mifs.
Where also had problems where inserted $Header$ variables from RCS were mucked with by Mif. (It split the variable result because of length, I believe.)
And your 'unless' is pretty crucial, too, Robert.
Craig
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Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 12:20 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
I haven't seen that. Unless there's a tag or marker or something in
the middle of a word it's always intact in an .fm file or exported
.mif.
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Even with MIF the text strings are often split in unknowable ways so search would be haphazard anyway.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:50:05 -0700
From: Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
To: framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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Is there a search utility that knows how to parse .fm files so you
could find multi-word strings reliably?
One kludge is to search for all the .fm files on your drive and drop
them in a new book. Then you can use the Find command to search all
the files in the book.
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 12:02:34 -0700
From: Ed Nodland <enodland at gmail.com>
To: framers <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
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On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose one might be searching on a phrase so breaks between words with
> intervening mif tags, etc would pose a problem. Sentences are often split
> in Mifs.
> Where also had problems where inserted $Header$ variables from RCS were
> mucked with by Mif. (It split the variable result because of length, I
> believe.)
> And your 'unless' is pretty crucial, too, Robert.
>
> Craig
>
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> on behalf of Robert Lauriston <robert at lauriston.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 12:20 PM
> To: framers
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Searching for content in FrameMaker files
>
> I haven't seen that. Unless there's a tag or marker or something in
> the middle of a word it's always intact in an .fm file or exported
> .mif.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Even with MIF the text strings are often split in unknowable ways so
> search would be haphazard anyway.
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