[Framers] Embedding attachments in FM that remain attachments when PDF'd
David Artman
david at davidartman.com
Fri Aug 4 13:12:16 PDT 2017
In my testing (Reader DC) I found the Previous and Next View to only
toggle between page-view settings (e.g., page width, full page,
continuous). I was about to suggest using them but thought, "Hmmm,
better verify" and--for me at least--it was a big nope. Alt+Left was
the only way to go back to the source PDF when it opened the target,
attached PDF into the same tab.
(I recall a similar usability problem with mobile PDF readers: When we
wanted one document--a checklist--to open to the more-detailed steps,
the opened document had to have an explicit link back in its text to
return to the checklist.)
I'm still hoping that the hotspot creation will work for the OP!
David
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Framers] Embedding attachments in FM that remain
attachments when PDF'd
From: "Reng, Dr. Winfried" <[1]wreng at tycoint.com>
Date: Fri, August 04, 2017 2:24 am
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
<[2]framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Hi,
Only a comment to the Previous/Next View buttons.
Acrobat does have them.
To show them click View | Show/Hide | Toolbar Items |
Show Page Navigation Tools. Then click Previous View and
Next View.
However, I agree that almost no-one will know these buttons.
None of my colleagues has changed the configuration to Show.
Best regards
Winfried
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Embedding attachments in FM that remain
attachments when PDF'd
I forgot to mention that there's a pretty rough usability issue with
hotspot linking to an embedded PDF: Unless you define it so that it
opens in a new tab or Acrobat/Reader window (if a PDF) then the only
way a user can navigate 'back' is with Alt+Left Arrow. I cannot find
any way to add a "Back" and "Forward" button to the toolbar (and end
users likely wouldn't either, if such toolbar buttons are not visible
by default!).
Oh, and the Alt+Left Arrow only works in Acrobat, not Reader. (Seems
Reader will open in a new tab, so not so bad...)
Of course, any attachments that open in other applications will
generate new windows, between which a user could easily navigate.
HTH;
David
-------- Original Message --------
From: "David Artman" <[1][4]david at davidartman.com>
Date: Thu, August 03, 2017 12:08 pm
Perhaps you could make your icons where you want them in FM with the
intention of *attaching* the (non-FM, non-PDF) files to the PDF
post-distillation. If you can figure out how a PDF attachment can be
referenced with a relative path--or, perhaps, as an anchor, like one
would do to have a URL call for a specific heading in the PDF?--then
you could have the FM URL 'point' to where the PDF attachments will
eventually 'live' in the final PDF. (Extra points if you can make the
FM icons+links Reference Page elements, for consistent reuse and
file-size efficiency!)
Sorry I cannot offer exact steps; I offer a map not a guidebook. :^)
EDIT: OK, it was not hard to find the first steps; refer to "Link to a
file attachment" on this page:
[2][5]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__helpx.adobe.
com_acrobat_using_links-2Dattachments-2Dpdfs.html&d=DwICAg&c=0YGvTs3tT-
VMy8_v51yLDw&r=pdk93NJbIWwQmLZh1EZCoC4wFNMwWj1dp-sJbkswCLE&m=Ww4rLxkKQ4
mKV5WQblrpC-KYETG63ArxDEvCfFrh3-4&s=PEVhWLsGIHUSKDam0ytFIW7vhrcOm8pgOFj
4i4j78BM&e=
Screenshot here:
[3][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google
.com_file_d_0BwYIazaIFHy4TXVLVl9HNmJCY0U_view-3Fus&d=DwICAg&c=0YGvTs3tT
-VMy8_v51yLDw&r=pdk93NJbIWwQmLZh1EZCoC4wFNMwWj1dp-sJbkswCLE&m=Ww4rLxkKQ
4mKV5WQblrpC-KYETG63ArxDEvCfFrh3-4&s=swCPzA6awhQ-awXDeemRMKAIAnE8m1I0gq
3mNOG7G6E&e=
p=sharing
That takes the perspective of creating the link hotspot in Acrobat; but
that's just something you'd do once, pre-production, to get the URL for
use in an FM gotolink marker. As to HOW you'd see the underlying URL
for the (testing-use) hotspot, I have no idea. There must be some tool
that 'decompiles' a PDF so you can see the 'raw code' behind a link
hotspot, surely...? Alternately, if you have a relative few 'icons' in
the FM to link, you can make one hotspot per icon-PDF attachment
pairing and copy & paste them into place. Tedious, perhaps... but then
again, so is making an active PDF Form from FM without PDF TimeSavers!
;^)
Let us know what you resolve!
David
-------- Original Message --------
From: John Posada <[4][7]jposada99 at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, August 02, 2017 10:29 am
...
In this case, I didn't want to do a link of any type because where
these
types of files are kept is in a secure location and people won't get
in,
though these particular files are not restricted access due to
governance
approval. I wanted them carried along in and with the PDF to not worry
about access permissions.
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