[Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

Stefan Gentz gentz at adobe.com
Thu Mar 16 16:40:44 PDT 2017 

Hi all,

we heard you!

Thanks for all your feedback on the new icon design. We do appreciate your feedback.

As you might imagine, we did not take the decision to go for a uni-color design easy and a lot of considerations and user feedback went into this. And yes, there was a diverse feedback from users: Some users liked the colored icons (for reasons many if you mentioned here as well) and strongly encouraged us to keep the colored icons, others preferred a uni-color design as they are used to it from other Adobe Apps and because they preferred a more "calm", less "distracting" working environment and strongly encouraged us to go for this. Also there is a wide range of users worldwide throughout many countries and cultures and age groups with a wide range of expectations.

And no, we did not "dismiss and belittled" feedback in the prerelease phase. But the feedback came in a very late phase and there was no time left to take this into consideration. There are hundreds of icons and the majority of them are in multiple sites for the new high-dpi screen compatibility. It's nothing that can be done "overnight".

Again, we did hear you and understand that there is a wide range of personal preferences and tastes. We will discuss this over the next weeks internally and explore the possibilities to satisfy the wishes from both user groups – those who like the colored icons and those who prefer uni-colored icons.

By the way, my personal take on this is: I like the uni-color design and prefer it over the colored icons. I like it, because it's more calm and allows me to focus more on the content and get less distracted by a big bunch of "candy-colored" icons (yes, Matt Sullivan, I know … ;-)).
I'm just used to this style as I also work every day in PhotoShop, Illustrator and InDesign as well. And I'm used to it, as many modern apps, tools, systems all have this kind of design. I just like it and it's for sure a personal preference.
By the way, I work with FrameMaker intensively for more than 20 years and have pushed out several million of pages and went through all the UI changes over the last ten product generations. And personally I think the new FM 2017 UI is the best FrameMaker ever had – in terms of logical enhancements and restructuring, terminology enhancements and consistency, user-friendliness and productivity enhancements and technical advancements (I'm running FM on a modern high-dpi screen and LOVE the crystal clear, sharp UI and text editing).
But again, that's just my personal 2 cents as a hardcore and long-term user ;-)



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On 16 Mar 2017, at 18:38, Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com<mailto:ljsims.ml at gmail.com>> wrote:

For those who might be curious, we're up to 32 votes!

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com<mailto:ljsims.ml at gmail.com>> wrote:

And pretty soon they may think you've started a movement.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Craig, Alison <acraig at bkultrasound.com<mailto:acraig at bkultrasound.com>>
wrote:

I voted for both of them.

Very timely as well - having just had an ophthalmology appointment this
morning for my old and tired eyes. ;-)))

Alison


From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=
bkultrasound.com at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bkultrasound.com at lists.frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 6:37 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
to menu icons

Direct link to Dave Stamm's request is:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.adobe.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2451&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb10d4d8d752648c5788a08d46c934ae6%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636252827264834403&sdata=JiIxwuDihAvXnnzyq0LGNwxcEIpmC6LPkZz%2BAwOEhoY%3D&reserved=0

(Dave, your link takes us to the fill-in form, not to your specific
request.)

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Stamm, David <David.Stamm at gd-ms.com<mailto:David.Stamm at gd-ms.com>
<mailto:David.Stamm at gd-ms.com%3e> wrote:

2017-03-10-05T14:00Z

Well, disappointingly but not surprisingly, my feature request did not
survive the transition to Adobe's new setup.

So, I just submitted it again.

At https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.adobe.com%2F%23%2Fadd_feature&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb10d4d8d752648c5788a08d46c934ae6%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636252827264834403&sdata=1%2BXyjsi8w8rLFHHB%2B1hCMWokuG7GjjWC7fZ7NtmSMLQ%3D&reserved=0 , the "Bug Id" is
FRMAKER-2451.

Thank you for your support.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-----Original Message-----
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com<http://gd-ms.com>@lists.
frameusers.com<http://frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 15:33
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and
scaling
to menu icons

Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too!

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David <David.Stamm at gd-ms.com<mailto:David.Stamm at gd-ms.com>
<mailto:David.Stamm at gd-ms.com%3e>
wrote:

2017-03-09-04T20:15Z

I, too, voted in favor of your request. I also pointed out that your
request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the
dialog box for index entries. Good luck.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com<http://gd-ms.com>@lists.
frameusers.com<http://frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14
To: Frame Users
Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling
to menu icons

I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most
displeased to see that the menu icons had been returned to the
"corporate standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to
distinguish. This is causing me some eye strain, and I'm not at all
happy about it.

I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at
least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the
request.

I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this
subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let
Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time.
Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers who
complained. It seems like poor customer service to me.

Here's a link to the request if you want to vote on it.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.adobe.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER-2449&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb10d4d8d752648c5788a08d46c934ae6%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636252827264834403&sdata=a8Xv2CwRhnL36Hxpyl5ls6yRBLcLFMi6L0zVOJtjlrM%3D&reserved=0

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