[Framers] Using Folders and Groups

[Fred Ridder]

You can do what you want by using text insets since the insets do not inherently trigger a new page like separate files listed in a book file do. But text insets have their own set of limitations and peculiarities, particularly if you are using cross-references.


-FR


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Using Folders and Groups

Setting to next available didn't help; the contents of each file still
start on a new page, plus I had to create a Left master page. From the
description, it really sounded like I could use folders (or groups?) to
more finely chunk information and then have the contents follow one after
the other on a page without starting on top of the next page like DITA maps
with topics do.

Oh, well. Would have been useful, but if there's a way to do it I don't
have time to figure it out. Guess what I'll do is complete the information
in the chunked files since that is helping me keep my thoughts straight and
the information better organized, and then either C&P back into a single
file for the chapter or text inset them one after the other.

(Before someone goes there, DITA is not really an option even though I'd
like it to be. We're a small company with only 2 writers, and neither of us
knows anything like enough about DITA to set something up, nor anything at
all about how to set up Frame EDDs/DTDs to do it, plus we have no CMS, only
Box.)

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Mike Wickham <info at mikewickham.com> wrote:

> I use folders to separate groups of files. For example, a Front Matter
> folder holds all the various title page, TOC, preface, etc. files. There is
> a folder for each part and one to hold appendixes. At the end of the book,
> I also have a folder set to exclude (non-printing) that holds generated
> files that list graphics used in the book, and fonts used.  I recall
> playing around with groups, but numbering works very differently on them,
> so abandoned that idea.
>
> I seem to recall a blog entry that was useful in figuring out folders and
> groups way back when, but couldn't find it now. Searching on "hierarchical
> books" turns up some hits that might help you. Looking at the latest
> edition of FrameMaker help, it looks like it gives a clearer (though not
> complete) explanation of folders and groups than way back in version 9.
>
> Mike
>
> On 8/3/2018 9:36 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
>> Has anyone here used folders and groups in their unstructured books? Is
>> there any information out there on the how and when and why of using them,
>> or when one is better used than the other?
>>
>> So far all I've found is the brief and pretty detail-less how to in
>> Adobe's
>> help files, and I want more in-depth information.
>>
>> I'm working on a book right now where I *think *using folders would be
>> useful (long chapter, trying to chunk so I can keep straight what
>> information is where and the like, because two of those sections are
>> nearly
>> identical except for a few words and I want to keep them identical but
>> there are edits and additions and you know the drill), but I'm not sure if
>> it would be or how to set it up properly and, frankly, I'm not up to
>> trial-and-erroring today until I get it.
>>
>>
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