[Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Mon Feb 11 13:07:17 PST 2019

Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from 
unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files. 
You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same 
problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the 
way to XML, and maintain your source as XML, you are free to switch 
tools at a moment's notice.

Another option (someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read the 
entire thread) .. would be to export to MIF at specific points along 
your workflow. There are tools to convert from MIF to other formats.

Cheers,
...scott

On 2/11/19 12:50 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is an
> advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
> FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you decide
> to move away from FrameMaker in the future.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Framers <framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro.com at lists.frameusers.com> On
> Behalf Of john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks
> FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
>
> What do I know. Thanks everyone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically
> when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker
> available to export to a neutral format.
>
> FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application
> for migration.
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
>> This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody
>> has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users
>> but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
>> <peter at petergold.photography>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, John:
>>>
>>> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to
>>> be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
>>> Adobe. I use ID
>>> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable
>>> on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on the list
>>> think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having to slog
>>> through this effort going forward?
>>>
>>> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
>>> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
>>> computing environments where it's used have become serious
>>> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.....
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM <john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the
>>> issue.
>>>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make
>>>> their edits.
>>>>
>>>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
>>>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
>>> connecting
>>>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
>>>>
>>>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation does
>>>> nothing.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
>>>> us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
>>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
>>>> framers at lists.frameusers.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>>>>
>>>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
>>> confusion.
>>>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save
>>>> as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network
>>> supports,
>>>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
>>>> service?
>>>>
>>>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
>>>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools - MIF
>>> Filter
>>>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid> to
>>>> convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
>>>> abilities,
>>> the
>>>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
>>>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada <jposada99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
>>>>> FM installed on their network.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
>>>>> native FM
>>>>> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
>>>>> book paradigm?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Posada
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