[Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Mon Feb 11 13:53:50 PST 2019

I expect that'd be a very bad idea. He works for a bank.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
Jeff.Coatsworth at jonasclub.com> wrote:

> I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM &
> creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the
> question too?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=
> jonasclub.com at lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know,
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
> conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM <john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are
> > > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > > <peter at petergold.photography>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> > >> Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on
> > >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having
> > >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.....
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM <john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > >> connecting
> > >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > >>> does nothing.
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > >>> us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > >>> framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured
> > >>> files
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > >> confusion.
> > >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine,
> > >>> save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate
> > >>> network
> > >> supports,
> > >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by
> > >>> a service?
> > >>>
> > >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > >>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools -
> > >>> MIF
> > >> Filter
> > >>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid>
> > >>> to convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
> > >>> abilities,
> > >> the
> > >>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > >>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> > >>>
> > >>> HTH
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada <jposada99 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
> > >>>> FM installed on their network.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> > >>>> native FM
> > >>>> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
> > >>>> book paradigm?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> John Posada
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