[Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Mon Feb 11 13:57:29 PST 2019

Forwarding this to the list, since for all I know the message I sent
directly may have gotten caught in a spam filter.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Lin Sims <ljsims.ml at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
To: <john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com>

How does this sound to you?

One of the participants on the Frameusers list is asking if there are any
applications that can import a FrameMaker binary file for the purpose of
editing it. The company is an anti-money-laundering company (AML) and
doesn't want to have programs on its network that have to "call home" for
authentication.

For whatever reason, they've been unable to get either his previous version
of Frame (11) to work or to get the most recent version (2019) to work, but
I am unclear as to why they haven't been able to.

They are no longer using Frame at his place of business, so all new work is
in a different application. However, he still needs to be able to update
old files and convert them into the new format.

I am unaware of any application that can import .fm files, but that doesn't
mean they don't exist. I'm hoping someone here either knows of one or can
help provide him with a way to get either his old or new version of Frame
working without the need of an internet connection to authenticate it.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM <john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com> wrote:

> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know,
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
> conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM <john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are
> > > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > > <peter at petergold.photography>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> > >> Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on
> > >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having
> > >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.....
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM <john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > >> connecting
> > >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > >>> does nothing.
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > >>> us.hsbc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:20 PM
> > >>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > >>> framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured
> > >>> files
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any
> > >> confusion.
> > >>> Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine,
> > >>> save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate
> > >>> network
> > >> supports,
> > >>> then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by
> > >>> a service?
> > >>>
> > >>> If a non-subscription version of InDesign is used on the corporate
> > >>> network, a round-about approach could be to use the  DTP Tools -
> > >>> MIF
> > >> Filter
> > >>> for Adobe InDesign <http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid>
> > >>> to convert MIF files InDesign. Within InDesign's own limits and
> > >>> abilities,
> > >> the
> > >>> conversion retains most, FrameMaker text formatting features and
> > >>> specifications, and does its best to emulate page layouts.
> > >>>
> > >>> HTH
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:28 AM John Posada <jposada99 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like
> > >>>> FM installed on their network.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are there any other applications that can be installed and open
> > >>>> native FM
> > >>>> 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the
> > >>>> book paradigm?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> John Posada
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>
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