[Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8

Peter Gold peter at petergold.photography
Thu Apr 9 12:16:27 PDT 2020 

Obviously two sumo wrestlers are too big to fit through the filter mesh at
once. Perhaps try sending one at a time ;) Otherwise, please consider
posting the cartoon to DropBox or a similar sharing repository.

Yes, the company user group meetings bring back memories! In 1994, I
started doing tech support for a Silicon Valley FrameMaker reseller. Our
customers comprised almost all of the then major tech companies. I used to
visit a few customer sites regularly, to sit in on user groups, or to hold
one-on-one problem-solving sessions.

The company's principals developed, then sold off, the first UNIX
license-management software, which enabled Frame Technology to sell FM with
more-affordable floating licenses. They also developed a table-calculation
add-on tool for FrameMaker tables, for FM3 on UNIX. Adobe declined their
offer to sell licensing rights when they bought Frame Technology, because
they claimed they intended to build their own table calculator into a
future release.

Don't regret those user groups that may seem lost; this and other online
FrameMaker forums that date back to the dawn of the internet, are the
evolved versions of those early UGs.

The first feature FM I saw that blew me away was the built-in screenshot
option on UNIX FM3 in 1989!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:32 PM Tarlochan S. Nahal <tnahal10 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My nostalgia goes further back!
>
> As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical
> publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better
> graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line,"
> but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be some
> licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors.
>
> FrameMaker was coming strong in the early 1990s and Interleaf was losing
> steam fairly rapidly. Why? Well, Interleaf started to dilly-dally on
> customer service and won't pick phone calls if anyone had any problems with
> installation or usage. It was a great software, but it failed to keep up
> with customer demands. Sometimes I feel the same way about FrameMaker
> today. Why doesn't the installation link always work? Why do you have to
> spend hours on the phone with customer service to get it going? Why don't
> they have user group meetings in the local high tech companies once in a
> month as they did in the 1990s? It was great way to get real customer
> feedback from people who are the actual users and front-line warriors. They
> almost mishandled DITA and abdicated their responsibility to XML DITA, etc.
> As a result, Adobe lost a significant market share to other vendors. In
> spite of all that I have been a loyal user of FrameMaker for decades.
>
> Anyway, I share with you a  cartoon in the form of two sumo wrestlers that
> I asked a friend of mine Bill Bergman to make for me in 1992. Please enjoy.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tarlochan Nahal
>
>
>
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> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:33:46 -0400
> > From: Jerilynne Knight <jerilynne.knight at gmail.com>
> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
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> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
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> > Oh wowser Mark...I forgot about the Gem environment! And I remember that
> > DOS-based machine...had one of them!
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:42 PM Mark Soiseth <mark.soiseth at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It
> > > allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned
> how
> > > to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based
> > machines
> > > with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM.
> > >
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> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:01:22 -0500
> > From: Peter Gold <peter at petergold.photography>
> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
> >         <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
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> > Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of us
> > have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?"
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 1:41 PM Mark Soiseth <mark.soiseth at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It
> > > allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned
> how
> > > to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based
> > machines
> > > with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM.
> > >
> > > But, yes, Corel did not do it justice.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 05:05, Jerilynne Knight <
> > jerilynne.knight at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Bjorn...I didn't follow Ventura that far into present time,
> > although I
> > > > loved it when I learned it a Xerox. Once Corel took it over, I
> though I
> > > was
> > > > the only one who was both disappointed and disgusted with the poor
> job
> > > they
> > > > were doing!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:00 PM Studio Smalbro <studio at smalbro.dk>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I followed Ventura all the way from the early versions on floppy
> > disks
> > > > > to the latest Corel Version 10.
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> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 22:13:42 -0400
> > From: Jerilynne Knight <jerilynne.knight at gmail.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
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> > Oh lordy Peter, don't even get me started on that topic!!! lol
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:01 PM Peter Gold <peter at petergold.photography>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of
> us
> > > have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:27:50 -0500
> > From: Peter Gold <peter at petergold.photography>
> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
> >         <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
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> > Dang autocorrect. Should have been "first-hand" not "first-have."
> >
> > Ok, I won't start your feet moving down that path. ;)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 9:13 PM Jerilynne Knight <
> jerilynne.knight at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Oh lordy Peter, don't even get me started on that topic!!! lol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:01 PM Peter Gold <peter at petergold.photography
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many
> of
> > us
> > > > have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?"
> > > >
> > > >
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