[Framers] Questions re upgrading Frame from 7.1

Tue Mar 31 10:41:06 PDT 2020

Unicode support was added in FM8. However, I don't believe that FM requires
the font support Unicode; Adobe certainly has quite a few fonts that aren't
Unicode. As long as it's installed on the machine, it should be available.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:39 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
Jeff.Coatsworth at jonasclub.com> wrote:

> Yup, long post alright!
> I would suggest that you find a non-production machine and install a trial
> copy of FM2019 - make sure you immediately perform updates on it (just
> because you just downloaded it, doesn't mean that it's up to date - it's
> like version 1.0 - there's been 5 patches so far). The good news is that
> you only have to do Help > Updates once, because FM patches are now
> cumulative, rather than sequential (yay!)
> Next, bring over a copy of your FM7.1 content & give upgrading it a try.
> Since I can't recall when FM went through the Unicode barrier thing, you
> may find your fonts to be an issue. The UI will be completely different to
> you. Just play around and experiment.
>
>
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> Subject: [Framers] Questions re upgrading Frame from 7.1
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> Hi, Framers,
> Apologies for a somewhat long post, but I would really like some input. We
> are contemplating finally upgrading from our Frame 7.1 (yep, had it for 17
> years) to the newest version (Frame 2019). Our version of Frame has been
> ridiculously stable and its amazing features have served our purposes
> without having to upgrade over the years. We upgraded our computers to
> Windows 10 last year, but the 32-bit Frame has worked in that system so
> far. We do get messages about fonts changing when we change print driver to
> Adobe for making PDFs, but it hasn't had any ill effects for us. Some
> background:
> We do legal books in Frame that use the generated files feature for
> summary and tables of contents, tables of cases, tables of statutes, and
> subject matter indexes. Most of our books have extensive footnotes (lawyers
> love to include footnotes that go on for 7/8ths of a page). We make PDFs of
> the books as well as send MIF files to a conversion company for EPUBs. We
> use unstructured Frame and don't need structure for anything. We don't use
> conditional text for anything. Recently, I had an incidence of Frame files
> in a book I was working on get corrupted where paragraphs had been
> bizarrely messed up and lost the work I had done on the files in the last
> week or so. Another coworker had saved a Frame file to RTF and later
> couldn't open the Frame file again because it said it didn't recognize the
> file format. This is leading us to believe that maybe it is finally time
> for us to bite the bullet and upgrade to be compatible with all the other
> software out there now. So, some specific questio
>  ns (keeping in mind the unstructured environment):
> 1. I was going to ask if Frame 2019 allows the old Escape key sequences of
> Esc-jj and Esc-cc to work, because I saw on the list that they broke those
> functions in the later versions-but I see from the Frame 2019 manual online
> that they have restored those functions in 2019. So this functionality
> works well now?
> 2. Is Frame ever going to fix the footnotes problem? I've replied to
> Adobe's feature requests over the years, and they still don't have a fix.
> 3. Is Frame 2019 stable as far as people using it now can tell? (I've seen
> some posts here about problems creating PDFs and other things that
> shouldn't be happening with recent versions of Frame.)
> 4. There was a small problem with Frame 7.1's ability to use the scroll
> wheel that needed a special mouse driver that we had to use and we had to
> reinstall it when we went to Windows 10, but once the driver was in place,
> it was fixed. I'm assuming Frame 2019 doesn't have any issues like this
> anymore, right?
> 5. Another minor problem with our Frame is a glitch where if you hold down
> the mouse a little too long when selecting something, Frame will crash. Has
> anyone had this happen with the latest version?
> 6. Is IXGEN available for the latest Frame?
> 7. Is Frame to RTF conversion good? We save Frame files to RTF to send to
> authors for updating their chapters. (People would always need an
> explanation of why we used the RTF Japanese for the setting.)
> 8. How do you open old Frame 7 files if you have Frame 2019? The online
> manual for 2019 says you have to open Frame 7 files as MIF. But in order to
> change them to MIF, don't you have to convert them from within Frame 7? Can
> you choose to open them as MIF from 2019 itself? And what about the .book
> file? Is that preserved if you open all its enclosed files in MIF, or is it
> an option to save a whole old book as MIF so that generated files are also
> converted? Would we have to convert all our Frame 7 books to MIF before
> installing Frame 2019 (or can you have both versions of Frame installed on
> your computer at the same time?)? And do you have to replace fonts for
> Unicode ones?
> 9. Now that Frame has EPUB format as an output, is it good? Is the
> unstructured version capable of it? Does it involve cleanup to make the
> EPUB presentable? Are all the links in the Frame file preserved in the EPUB?
> 10. Finally, what do people think of the subscription model versus buying
> an outright license (if Adobe even still lets people buy a "forever"
> license)? I think I remember seeing some panicked user on the list
> mentioning something about Adobe screwing up their subscription and them
> not having their Frame functionable anymore.
> 11. And another finally, seeing some recent posts about problems someone
> had with the trial version, is there any advice about that?
>
> I am on the digest, so if anyone replies, could you please reply to me
> directly as well as the list? Thanks for any advice you can give.
>
>
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