[Framers] TOC issue
Peter Gold
peter at petergold.photography
Fri Dec 17 18:23:24 PST 2021
Are you saying that we are like the answer to the crossword clue "people
who date themselves?" namely, introverts! I love English; it's so precise.
:)
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:50 PM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> OK so yeah we’re really dating ourselves here on this list. The last
> release that Chris had for the ToC Breaker . . . Drumroll please. It was
> FrameMaker 11 - yep, you read that right.
>
> Anyway I’ve already reached out to Rick Quatro and have popped another
> idea in his head for another script.
>
> Thank you everyone once again!
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
>
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:21 PM, tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
> tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that is the name that I remember!
> > Thank you!!!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:18 PM, Peter Gold <peter at petergold.photography>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cudspan's "tocbreaker" might be the magic tool. Try a web search.
> >>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 4:06 PM Heiko Haida <info at heiko-haida.de>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you prepare a title text with some nonbreaking spaces (that do not
> >>> bother in the place where the title is) according to your idea how this
> >>> should look like in the TOC, the text then will always keep together in
> >>> the TOC when regenerated.
> >>> This may help, or at least may help for most of the lines in the TOC.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, this is not such a good idea if the text has to be
> translated
> >>> to other languages where the line breaks have to be set differently.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards --- Tino H. Haida, Berlin
> >>>
> >>> tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com:
> >>>
> >>>> OK, Rick's script saved my bacon yet again, and while I am on a roll,
> I
> >>>> am gonna' get greedy and ask if someone can refresh the fuzzy recesses
> >>>> of my aging mind.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right now, when I have lines that don't wrap correctly in my TOC
> (based
> >>>> on the length of the text for a tag), I am going through and manually
> >>>> adding the needed breaks, but of course, this is tedious work and I
> >>>> loathe doing it every time I produce a final book because either I
> >>>> forget to do it or I miss a line or two.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wasn't there a script "out there somewhere?" that magically did this
> >>>> for you?
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone remembers this script and can point me in the right
> direction
> >>>> (other than off a cliff which is what I feel like doing right now), I
> >>>> would most appreciate it.
> >>>>
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>>
> >>>> TVB
> >>>>
> >>>> Tammy Van Boening
> >>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> >>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1]
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Framers <framers-
> >>>> bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc.com at lists.frameusers.com> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:47 AM
> >>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> >>>> <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> >>>>
> >>>> Great news! Thanks to Rick!
> >>>>
> >>>> This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA
> >>>> bug, that
> >>>> needs formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM <tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do
> >>>> contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem
> >>>> to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago
> >>>> and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented)
> >>>> punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the
> >>>> ToC).
> >>>>
> >>>> Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of
> >>>> the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was
> >>>> taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the
> >>>> character didn't begin the link, all was OK.
> >>>>
> >>>> Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will
> >>>> solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user
> >>>> (especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about
> >>>> this little gem anyway.
> >>>> Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post
> >>>> to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn
> >>>> so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can
> >>>> come only from tribal knowledge and everyone's years of experience.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays.
> >>>>
> >>>> TVB
> >>>>
> >>>> Tammy Van Boening
> >>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> >>>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1]
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Framers <framers-
> >>>> bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc.com at lists.frameusers.com> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 10:26 AM
> >>>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> >>>> <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem
> >>>> paragraphs, to see if they retain the problem gremlins? If they don't,
> >>>> try
> >>>> deleting or; hiding the bad ones one with a condition.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps the problem material falls on some kind of border or limit.
> >>>> Have you tried creating a placeholder chapter ahead of the book
> >>>> materials,
> >>>> then regenerating? If that fixes it, resett the numberings or hide
> >>>> it, to ignore the placeholder, and regen.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
> >>>> tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> 😀😀
> >>>>
> >>>> What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . .
> >>>> And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port
> >>>> in a storm. . .
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my
> >>>> rescue in these frustrating situations, so I'm waiting to hear
> >>>> back from him, and learn what the obvious problem it is. . .
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point
> >>>> I'm so
> >>>> frustrated) but not to me!
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Lise Bible
> >>>> <rentagoodbook at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Tammy,
> >>>>> I have no Frame advice to offer (I am sure you've tried
> >>>>> everything I
> >>>> would
> >>>>
> >>>>> have tried, and I'd be equally frustrated in your situation),
> >>>>> but as a workaround, can you manually create these links in
> >>>>> Acrobat after the
> >>>> fact? To be clear, you shouldn't HAVE to do this, but in a pinch...
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck!
> >>>> -Lise
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com
> >>>> < tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Craig,
> >>>>
> >>>> No there is no difference in the character formatting between
> >>>> these five entries and any of the other same type of entries in the
> >>> TOC.
> >>>
> >>>> All the EquationCaption paragraph tags are formatted
> >>>> identically
> >>> without
> >>>
> >>>> any overrides or additional character settings.
> >>>>
> >>>> But if you have any other ideas or thoughts I would definitely
> >>>> welcome them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Craig Ede <craigede at hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of
> >>>> these 5 lines being used for the TOC?
> >>>> Craig Ed
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: Framers <framers-bounces+craigede=
> >>> hotmail.com at lists.frameusers.com>
> >>>
> >>>> on behalf of tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com <
> >>>> tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:48
> AM
> >>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> >>>> <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> >>>> Subject: [Framers] TOC issue
> >>>>
> >>>> OK,
> >>>>
> >>>> Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing
> >>>> to solve this issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss. I have a book
> >>>> for
> >>>> which I am generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary
> >>>> paragraph tags for the TOC and generated. All the entries in the TOC
> >>>> are functioning as
> >>>> hyperlinks as they should with the exception of 5 specific entries.
> >>>> They are
> >>>> deader than a door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five
> >>>> entries
> >>>> is an active hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5
> is
> >>>> also an
> >>> active
> >>>
> >>>> hyperlink.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have done the following:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
> >>>> 2. Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags -
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>> text is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing
> >>>> for
> >>> them.)
> >>>
> >>>> 3. Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the
> >>> book
> >>>
> >>>> to check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text
> >>>> that was causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions
> >>>> turned on, I still
> >>> have
> >>>
> >>>> the issue.
> >>>> 4. Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly
> >>> above
> >>>
> >>>> and directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and
> >>>> regenerated and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but
> these
> >>>> 5
> >>>> remain stubbornly dead.
> >>>> 5. All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that
> >>> maybe
> >>>
> >>>> there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant
> >>>> graphics and regenerated and again, the links are still dead.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small
> >>>> section in an otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so
> >>>> there's nothing common
> >>> about
> >>>
> >>>> this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book
> >>>> as no
> >>> other
> >>>
> >>>> sections are giving me this problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> TVB
> >>>>
> >>>> Tammy Van Boening
> >>>>
> >>>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> >>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com [1]<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com>
> >>>
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