[Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

Peter Gold peter at petergold.photography
Wed Oct 13 13:54:54 PDT 2021 

AFAIK, people didn't learn FM, InterLeaf, or *roff, in college courses back
in the day, in the same way they took courses in graphics, illustration,
and design software. FM users are usually technical authors, AKA
"information developers." At a recent InDesign user group meeting, I asked
how many in the room were authoring content in ID, and who were receiving
content in Word or other text formats and inserting it into their layouts.
NO authors! So, this may be one reason that Adobe is willing to bide time
until gen-FM goes extinct. IBM blew their early computing opportunity when
their research estimated the market to be around six machines in the whole
world, and in plain-paper copying, because there was none there was no
interest among potential users who saw no need.

It's interesting to see the de-evolution of technical publishing. Software
like FM "advanced" the industry to where a single individual wore the hats
of many different professionals - typesetter, designer, editor, indexer,
bookmaker. Now, the industry is dividing back to the form in which the
content creators - authors, editors, and other language specialists, are
separating from the visual, digital, and technical specialists. Old hats
are new again.

I've been migrating my FM writing habits to ID, for personal projects and
sheer doggedness. It's possible, but unless I'm as off-kilter as IBM had
been back in the dawn of the age, it seems to be a niche of a niche, like a
beachcomber who makes tourist memorabilia from driftwood, shells, and
frosted glass bits. :)

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 3:17 PM <tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

> Yea, pretty much. . . I figured after the installation fiascos that
> started with the first attempt at the Technical Communication Suite (TCS,
> 2009 - remember that!), Adobe had to catch on fast about this issue, but
> apparently that has not been the case. . . it was horrible then and has
> stayed just as horrible now. . . at the time, I remember that I referred to
> TCS as "Totally Cr*ppy Software.)
>
> I was an early adopter, and learned fast NOT to be in the case of Adobe. .
> . that hosed my system so badly that I had to basically take it down to
> bare metal and set everything up from scratch again and I was not the only
> one who suffered such a fate. . .
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers <framers-
> > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc.com at lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> >
> > Egad, Tammy! Are you saying, "At least it hasn't gotten worse?" :)
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:23 PM <tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I just remember a conversation that I had with Dov many years ago when
> > > I was still attending conferences and even back then, I was lamenting
> > > about all that Adobe could do so wrong when it came to
> > > installing/reinstalling/uninstalling and Dov's comment to me was that
> > > a gentleman at the sister conference had commented to Dov "When in the
> > > H*LL is Adobe going to stop screwing up my systems!!!"
> > >
> > > Even after 20+ years of this, nothing has apparently changed and that
> > > is sad.
> > >
> > > TVB
> > >
> > >
> > > Tammy Van Boening
> > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Framers <framers-
> > > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc.com at lists.frameusers.com> On
> > > > Behalf Of A Craig
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
> > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software.
> > > > <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wholeheartedly agree — except, sadly, I'm not semi-retired.
> > > >
> > > > Alison
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com
> > > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
> > > > <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 October, 2021 15:55:26
> > > > Subject: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Because every single solitary time that I have to
> > > > uninstall/reinstall an
> > > Adobe
> > > > app., I hold my breath to see what kind of friggin' rabbit hole
> > > > Adobe
> > > takes me
> > > > down and yep, it pulled a doozy on me this week, and thanks to
> > > > Adobe, I
> > > lost
> > > > a good 2 hours' worth of work to get my system back up to 'snuff.
> > > >
> > > > I can give details if interested, but I just wanted to chime in to
> > > > the
> > > thread
> > > > from a few weeks ago, where someone stated that they feel that Adobe
> > > > hates their customers. . . well, yea, I understand that feeling. I
> > > > LOVE
> > > Adobe
> > > > products. . . I HATE installing/uninstalling them and I hate that
> > > > Adobe apparently does absolutely NO regression/system testing on
> > > > their stuff when it comes to this.
> > > >
> > > > Count me in as another very dissatisfied and p*ssed off Adobe
> > > > customer who is grateful to be semi-retired and not having to deal
> > > > w/ this cr*p
> > > for
> > > > much longer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tammy Van Boening
> > > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com _____
> > > >
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