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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hi,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I'm new to submitting questions/issues to this list but, hopefully, this is the way to start. (If it's not, I know somebody will let me know.)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>My questions is this: Is there a way to globally update markers in a FrameMaker document? I use FM 6.0.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Ed Lightle</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Today's Topics:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2> 1. Fwd: Problems with X-refs in tables (James Mathias Brandal)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 2. OT: Opening an old .WDB file (Mary Sheahan)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 3. Bleed tabs - automation? (Steve Rickaby)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 4. Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> (Stacie Knas)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 5. More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid (Harvey Greenberg)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 6. RE: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit? (Hales-Crotchett, Nicole)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 7. Re: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid (Lisa Bronson)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 8. Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit? (Art Campbell)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 9. Re: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> item (Stacie Knas)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 10. RE: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> item (Lester C. Smalley)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 1</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:38:22 +0100</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: James Mathias Brandal <james.brandal@c2i.net></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Fwd: Problems with X-refs in tables</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Framers List <framers@frameusers.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Message-ID: <979CCE91-484D-478A-AFC9-B4C72308A01F@c2i.net></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Sometime ago I sent this question. Please reply if you have seen </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>similarities when doing Service documentation</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> After updating Framemaker Adobe Acrobat and Framescript to latest </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> versions we eventually experienced that in tables with X-refs the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> first cell from left still has its X-ref function while the rest </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> have no X-refs function. This is also the case in text if we have </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> two X-refs with different destinations the first from the left is </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> still a X-ref while the next has lost.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Has anyone on Framers experienced this?</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Best regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> James Mathias Brandal</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:56:05 -0800 (PST)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Mary Sheahan <mhs_tw@yahoo.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: OT: Opening an old .WDB file</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: framers@frameusers.com, framers@omsys.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>If you have software that can open an old Microsoft</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>.WDB file (circa 2000), would you please contact me</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>off-list? We no longer have the software on any of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>our PCs, and there's some document history information</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that we want to retain. Even a text-dump would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>suffice.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Mary</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 3</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:55:41 +0000</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Steve Rickaby <srickaby@wordmongers.demon.co.uk></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Bleed tabs - automation?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's excellent FrameMaker 7 'complete reference' book gives a method for setting up bleed tabs (thumbtabs) that requires manual deletion of unnecessary tabs (i.e. all but the current chapter) in production edit. Within structured FrameMaker, is there a way of automating this? </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>What is needed is a means of rendering objects visible/invisible depending on their chapter number. Perhaps some way of making conditional tags sensitive to their context in the book...?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Another approach I've tried is to include a rotated B flow flush to the page edge and insert the bleed tabs as conditionalised anchored frames. This allows tabs to be turned on and off with conditions, but I don't like these objects being on body pages, and it doesn't get round the issue of making them sensitive to chapter number.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Failing that, I guess it could be done using the feature for mapping master pages to paragraphs, but I cannot see it working out very elegantly, as one would have to hack some sort of 'hidden' mapping between chapter number and paragraph tags.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Any ideas, anyone?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Steve</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 4</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:26:47 -0500</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Stacie Knas <foolofgrace@gmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: framers@FrameUsers.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Dear Framers:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>compact or non-compact. I am very pleased with what I have figured</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>out so far, it's working well, except for one thing: If I have an OL</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that OL's numbering, thus:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>6. Item a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>7. Item b</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2> a. item A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> b. item B</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> c. item C</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>4. Item c</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>5. ...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>It doesn't happen with unordered lists. My level rules seem fine, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL. I don't know</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks so much. This list is invaluable. Sorry I can't provide</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>--Stacie</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>foolofgrace@gmail.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 5</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:14:40 -0500</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: "Harvey Greenberg" <harvey@xyenterprise.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>The digest distributes all posts as e-mail attachments. Very unuser</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 6</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:00:32 -0800</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: "Hales-Crotchett, Nicole" <nicole.hales-crotchett@lmco.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>list is by no means complete. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>~Nicole</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 7</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:48:43 -0600</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Lisa Bronson <lisa.infocus@gmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: More Negative List Feedback, I'm Afraid</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Harvey Greenberg <harvey@xyenterprise.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Message-ID:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hi Harvey,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>This is a setting, and can be changed. (What you're receiving now is</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>2. Under Get MIME or Plain Text Digests, make sure the Plain option is checked.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>If you have any problems, please contact me offlist, and I'll be happy</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Lisa B.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On 11/22/05, Harvey Greenberg <harvey@xyenterprise.com> wrote:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> The digest distributes all posts as e-mail attachments. Very unuser</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> friendly.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 8</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:58:52 -0500</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Art Campbell <art.campbell@gmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: "Hales-Crotchett, Nicole" <nicole.hales-crotchett@lmco.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Message-ID:</FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=2><c7d9dd600511221158x1f11f2belc86992a29e436faa@mail.gmail.com></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>And, by happenstance, Adobe just released their FM tech notes document</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>for the month today. One of the documents is "Troubleshooting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Installation Problems." No mention of 64 being a special case.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2><A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331828.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331828.html</A></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On 11/22/05, Hales-Crotchett, Nicole <nicole.hales-crotchett@lmco.com> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I know that MS has a list of incompatible 32-bit applications, but the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> list is by no means complete.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> ~Nicole</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Art Campbell art.campbell@gmail.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> No disclaimers apply.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> DoD 358</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 9</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:46 -0500</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Stacie Knas <foolofgrace@gmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list</FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=2>item</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: framers@frameusers.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thank you for your kind replies. As I said, this is my first EDD and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>there's a lot I don't know so please bear with me. I set up the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize the available elements, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>instead have the properties governed by where they appear):</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>If level is 1:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>If context is: {first}</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: <n=1>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: <n+>.\t</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Else, if level is: 2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> If context is: ul</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: \b\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> If context is: {first}</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: <a=1>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: <a+>.\t</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>There's more to it, of course. There is no opportunity in the EDD</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>won't let me put in a letter with a colon, n: or a:. Hope this helps.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I'm doing it the EDD way so that no matter where a LI occurs, it will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>be formatted correctly depending on where it is: numbered, bulleted,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>first, middle, table (haven't figured that one out yet, had to create</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>a new element and para format), etc.</FONT>
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<BR>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On 11/22/05, Etzel, Gary <Gary.Etzel@advantica.biz> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I think you need to change the numbering properties for the paragraph</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> format. I don't know if you are defining that through the paragraph designer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> or the EDD, but it's the same concept either way. In your first level OL,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> you probably have something like the following as the autonumber format:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> n:<n+>\t. In your second level OL, you need to change the n's to a different</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> letter, like this: a:\t<a+>\t. That will distinguish the first-level "n"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> numbering scheme from the second level "a" numbering scheme.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Gary</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: framers-bounces+gary.etzel=advantica.biz@lists.frameusers.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> [<A HREF="mailto:framers-bounces+gary.etzel=advantica.biz@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces+gary.etzel=advantica.biz@lists.frameusers.com</A>] On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Behalf Of Stacie Knas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:27 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: framers@FrameUsers.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Dear Framers:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Frame 7.1, Windows XP Pro</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I am tweaking my first EDD (using the Structured Application</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Developer's Guide) to get the levels and spacing right with list items</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (LI) in ordered lists (OL) and unordered lists (UL) and various nested</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> combinations thereof, including depending on whether the list is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> compact or non-compact. I am very pleased with what I have figured</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> out so far, it's working well, except for one thing: If I have an OL</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> nested in a LI in an OL, the LI that follows the nested OL picks up</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> that OL's numbering, thus:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 6. Item a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 7. Item b</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> a. item A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> b. item B</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> c. item C</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 4. Item c</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 5. ...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> It doesn't happen with unordered lists. My level rules seem fine, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> they work if they are not interrupted by a nested OL. I don't know</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> where else to look; can you point me to places I could investigate?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Thanks so much. This list is invaluable. Sorry I can't provide</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> answers yet, but I'm learning a lot.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Message: 10</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:16:44 -0500</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: "Lester C. Smalley" <lsmalley@infocon.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list</FONT>
<BR> <FONT SIZE=2>item</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: "Stacie Knas" <foolofgrace@gmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Cc: framers@frameusers.com, framers@omsys.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Message-ID:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>You can include the number or letter followed by a colon, you simply</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>type the desired text into the EDD as content of the "Autonumber Format"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>element.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>However, I believe that you really want instead of designating these</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>items as different numbering series (which is what the A: or N: do) you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>should include an EmptyCounter building block (will display as < > )</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>before your existing counter. One empty counter should be used for each</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>level of nesting, so a second-level list (first nested list) has one, a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>third level list has two, etc.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>For example:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>If level is 1:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> ...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> If context is: {first}</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: <n=1>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: <n+>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Else, if level is: 2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> If context is: ul</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: \b\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> If context is: {first}</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: < ><a=1>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Autonumber format: < ><a+>.\t</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>On Tuesday, November 22, 2005 02:57 PM, Stacie Knas wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Thank you for your kind replies. As I said, this is my </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| first EDD and there's a lot I don't know so please bear with </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| me. I set up the numbering in the EDD (I want to minimize </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| the available elements, and instead have the properties </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| governed by where they appear):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| If level is 1:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| ...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| If context is: {first}</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Autonumber format: <n=1>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Autonumber format: <n+>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Else, if level is: 2</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| If context is: ul</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Autonumber format: \b\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| If context is: {first}</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Autonumber format: <a=1>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Else</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Numbering properties</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Autonumber format: <a+>.\t</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| There's more to it, of course. There is no opportunity in </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| the EDD won't let me put in a letter with a colon, n: or a:. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| Hope this helps.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| I'm doing it the EDD way so that no matter where a LI </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| occurs, it will be formatted correctly depending on where it </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| is: numbered, bulleted, first, middle, table (haven't </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| figured that one out yet, had to create a new element and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>| para format), etc.</FONT>
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