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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jeff is right. From what I've read, 2 GB of RAM is barely adequate for minimal-load use under Win 7. You should quadruple it -- at least. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Richard <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Coatsworth<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I'd be chugging too if I only had 2 GB of RAM! You're using Win7 64 bit for God's sake! Throw a whack of RAM at it - it can use it.</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephens, Adrian P<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> File sizes, frame 9, comparison times</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I’m technical editor for IEEE 802.11REVmb, this is a spec for a wireless LAN protocol, and is current 2,600 pages in length.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The standard is a single book file comprising about 40 .fm files. I’m using Frame 9 on Win 7 64 bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have had two problems recently with this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span lang=EN-GB>1.</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB>Slow operation with large files.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span lang=EN-GB>2.</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB>Slow compare operation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The process we go through in IEEE standards is that large chunks of contributory material (called amendments)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>are prepared and approved elsewhere. Then I get to roll in the change. The last two amendments were 400<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>and 200 pages in length, consisting of a mixture of straight additional material and marked up changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Two files in particular have grown a lot recently. One is a 50/50 mix of text and tables. The other is pure text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>They are both about 400 pages in length each. (The source with text/tables is 4MB in length, the other one is 2MB).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Recently operations have slowed down. Frame has started running out of memory (screen not rendering properly,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>using a system font instead of proper font) when doing lots of work in the mixed file. Cross-reference operations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>(the bane of my life) take forever (i.e., 10s user-interface response to any key, 30s pause after adjusting xref).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have to prepare a “redline” document, which I do by a book compare with a previous release. With these files<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>of this length, and a substantial number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I killed one compare on<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU time on a fast desktop machine. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have split these files into 4 chunks, and life has improved a lot. OK, 400 pages is a long file (in terms of could<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I read it before bedtime), but 4MB is not much compared with the memory that frame occupies (200MB) or the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>amount of memory on my machine (2GB).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Have others observed this behaviour? Am I missing any tricks in dealing with big files?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Adrian P STEPHENS<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office)<br>Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile)<br>Skype: adrian_stephens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>----------------------------------------------<br>Intel Corporation (UK) Limited<br>Registered No. 1134945 (England)<br>Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ<br>VAT No: 860 2173 47<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>