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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>FrameMaker is a 32-bit application, <i>not</i> a 64-bit application. As such, it cannot use any more than a 2GB address space. Using FrameMaker under any 64-bit version of Windows with more than 2GB of memory only assists FrameMaker in that such additional memory can dramatically reduce system paging operations to and from disk. Generally speaking, the 64-bit versions of Windows have a much higher memory requirement threshold than the 32-bit minutes of Windows have. Under no circumstances would I ever recommend use of Windows 64-bit with anything less than a full 4GB of main memory, with 6GB or 8GB much more rational choices for that environment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> - Dov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Coatsworth<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I'd be chugging too if I only had 2 GB of RAM! You're using Win7 64 bit for God's sake! Throw a whack of RAM at it - it can use it.</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephens, Adrian P<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> File sizes, frame 9, comparison times</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I’m technical editor for IEEE 802.11REVmb, this is a spec for a wireless LAN protocol, and is current 2,600 pages in length.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The standard is a single book file comprising about 40 .fm files. I’m using Frame 9 on Win 7 64 bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have had two problems recently with this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span lang=EN-GB>1.</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB>Slow operation with large files.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span lang=EN-GB>2.</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-GB>Slow compare operation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The process we go through in IEEE standards is that large chunks of contributory material (called amendments)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>are prepared and approved elsewhere. Then I get to roll in the change. The last two amendments were 400<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>and 200 pages in length, consisting of a mixture of straight additional material and marked up changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Two files in particular have grown a lot recently. One is a 50/50 mix of text and tables. The other is pure text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>They are both about 400 pages in length each. (The source with text/tables is 4MB in length, the other one is 2MB).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Recently operations have slowed down. Frame has started running out of memory (screen not rendering properly,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>using a system font instead of proper font) when doing lots of work in the mixed file. Cross-reference operations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>(the bane of my life) take forever (i.e., 10s user-interface response to any key, 30s pause after adjusting xref).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have to prepare a “redline” document, which I do by a book compare with a previous release. With these files<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>of this length, and a substantial number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I killed one compare on<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU time on a fast desktop machine. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have split these files into 4 chunks, and life has improved a lot. OK, 400 pages is a long file (in terms of could<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I read it before bedtime), but 4MB is not much compared with the memory that frame occupies (200MB) or the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>amount of memory on my machine (2GB).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Have others observed this behaviour? Am I missing any tricks in dealing with big files?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Adrian P STEPHENS<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office)<br>Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile)<br>Skype: adrian_stephens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>----------------------------------------------<br>Intel Corporation (UK) Limited<br>Registered No. 1134945 (England)<br>Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ<br>VAT No: 860 2173 47<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>