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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=395440619-03032011>The "- it can use it." I was referring to was his Win7
machine, not FM. Nobody's ever just running "only" FM - there's normally always
some other apps in use - your e-mail program, a browser or two, some screenshot
app, etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dov
Isaacs<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:10 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
framers@lists.frameusers.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: File sizes, frame 9,
comparison times<BR><B>Importance:</B> High<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">FrameMaker is a 32-bit
application, <I>not</I> a 64-bit application. As such, it cannot use any more
than a 2GB address space. Using FrameMaker under any 64-bit version of Windows
with more than 2GB of memory only assists FrameMaker in that such additional
memory can dramatically reduce system paging operations to and from disk.
Generally speaking, the 64-bit versions of Windows have a much higher memory
requirement threshold than the 32-bit minutes of Windows have. Under no
circumstances would I ever recommend use of Windows 64-bit with anything less
than a full 4GB of main memory, with 6GB or 8GB much more rational choices for
that environment.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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- Dov<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jeff
Coatsworth<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:26 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
framers@lists.frameusers.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: File sizes, frame 9,
comparison times<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'd be
chugging too if I only had 2 GB of RAM! You're using Win7 64 bit for God's sake!
Throw a whack of RAM at it - it can use it.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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[mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Stephens,
Adrian P<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
framers@lists.frameusers.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> File sizes, frame 9, comparison
times</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>I’m technical editor for IEEE
802.11REVmb, this is a spec for a wireless LAN protocol, and is
current 2,600 pages in length.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>The standard is a single book file
comprising about 40 .fm files. I’m using Frame 9 on Win 7 64
bit.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>I have had two problems recently with
this:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>1.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Slow operation with large files.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoListParagraph style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB>2.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Slow compare operation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>The process we go through in IEEE standards
is that large chunks of contributory material (called
amendments)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>are prepared and approved elsewhere.
Then I get to roll in the change. The last two amendments were
400<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>and 200 pages in length, consisting of
a mixture of straight additional material and marked up
changes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Two files in particular have grown a lot
recently. One is a 50/50 mix of text and tables. The
other is pure text.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>They are both about 400 pages in length
each. (The source with text/tables is 4MB in length, the other one
is 2MB).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Recently operations have slowed down.
Frame has started running out of memory (screen not rendering
properly,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>using a system font instead of proper font)
when doing lots of work in the mixed file.
Cross-reference operations<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>(the bane of my life) take forever
(i.e., 10s user-interface response to any key, 30s pause after
adjusting xref).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>I have to prepare a “redline”
document, which I do by a book compare with a previous
release. With these files<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>of this length, and a substantial
number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I
killed one compare on<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU
time on a fast desktop machine. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>I have split these files into 4
chunks, and life has improved a lot. OK, 400 pages is a
long file (in terms of could<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>I read it before bedtime), but 4MB is
not much compared with the memory that frame occupies (200MB) or
the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>amount of memory on my machine
(2GB).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Have others observed this
behaviour? Am I missing any tricks in dealing with big
files?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-GB>Adrian P STEPHENS<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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