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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just my opinion but I think engineers gravitate to that field because they relate better to things than to people.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They’re great with formulas but lousy when communicating with us mere mortals.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Where I work, most of the engineers speak English as a second language.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Occasionally ESL engineers try to “correct” my work by introducing spelling and grammatical errors, incomprehensible sentences, or information placed where the user would never find it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Typically a citation from the Chicago Manual of Style cools their enthusiasm.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Writer<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> Eichelberger, Mark; framers<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Scary responsibility in job ad<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Or if the company absolutely feels that the engineers need to learn to communicate better, put the onus on them, not on the tech writers. Make it a part of the engineers' objectives, pay for courses, get the engineers to demonstrate that their skills have improved. If they fail, then no soup for them!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Nadine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "Eichelberger, Mark" <Mark.Eichelberger@fiserv.com><br><b>To:</b> framers <framers@lists.frameusers.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:17:41 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Scary responsibility in job ad</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv295338044><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t think this should ever be the responsibility of a tech writer, but it does indicate why they *<b>need</b>* a tech writer. I say let the engineers be engineers and let the tech writers be tech writers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Writer<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> framers<br><b>Subject:</b> OT: Scary responsibility in job ad</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>A local company listed this as one of the responsibilities in a job ad for a technical writer:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>"coach engineers to improve their writing skills"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>It makes me laugh and cringe in equal measures.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Nadine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><br>You are currently subscribed to framers as <a href="mailto:generic668@yahoo.ca">generic668@yahoo.ca</a>.<br><br>Send list messages to <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a>.<br><br>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<br><a href="mailto:framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com">framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>or visit <a href="http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca" target="_blank">http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca</a><br><br>Send administrative questions to <a href="mailto:listadmin@frameusers.com">listadmin@frameusers.com</a>. 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