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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hello Again All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The project that I was working on below (created structured templates and EDD for use to convert unstructured to structured Frame) is now in the hands of the end users. They are having an issue with the paragraph formatting not “sticking” when they apply it in their new document (the structured template). This appears to be a sporadic issue within the same document. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>(FrameMaker 10)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>For instance, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Header style (contains numbering reset)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Header style<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Header style (the auto-numbering disappears from the style here)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Header style<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Step<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Has anyone seen behavior before?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If the user changes the affected para to Body and then re-applies the format, “most” of the time it’s right.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Any ideas on where we can start to look?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Freeman<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 04, 2012 10:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Rick was kind enough to work with me on this issue and I am back on track (for the time being anyway). He suggested adding the formatting into my EDD using the textformat structures. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I greatly appreciate everyone’s input. This list rocks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Freeman<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rick Quatro; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Rick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I unwrapped a few para elements and then imported the EDD as you suggested. It ended up wiping out every paragraph format in the test document. They’re now all <body> again. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It was a good idea though! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rick Quatro [<a href="mailto:rick@rickquatro.com">mailto:rick@rickquatro.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 07 03, 2012 8:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> Lisa Freeman; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Lisa,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File > Import > Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import. Does that give you the correct formatting for each element? Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Rick Quatro<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Carmen Publishing Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>585-283-5045<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:rick@frameexpert.com">rick@frameexpert.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Freeman<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>FM10 – We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema. When we wrap the text, we lose the paragraph’s formatting properties. Everything turns to “body” and we have to reapply the format. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We are able to manipulate the EDD somewhat but can’t stray from the structure. We’ve looked at Read\Write rules but they don’t appear to help in this case. We’ve also looked at using the “TextFormatRules, ElementPgfFormatTag” options but we have more than one paragraph style that goes to an individual element.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Does anyone have any other ideas?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>BTW, everything works great when a new document is created using the template, EDD, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you in advance! <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Lisa Freeman</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Publication Support Analyst</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>E-mail:<span style='color:#FFC000'> </span><a href="mailto:lfreeman@oneil.com">lfreeman@oneil.com</a><span style='color:#E2AC00'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><br>**********************************************************************<br>Confidentiality Notice<br>The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for use only by the person(s) or organization listed in the address. 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