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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Craig, Gillian and others,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your post and suggestions. I am the FM product manager at Adobe and wanted to let you know that we will definitely consider the suggestions mentioned in this thread. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also, though this post, I wanted to point out that now in FrameMaker 11, you can easily automatically generate cover page, TOC, index, List of figures, list of tables pages etc. through a settings file called ditafm-output.ini. You can auto-generate these components either by (1) directly generating the PDF from the ditamap or (2) by generating a book first from the ditamap. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For the first option, one needs to go to the setting file and turn on the flag called SavePDFViaBookRoute (i.e. make it 1). Afterwards, choose the relevant settings you want e.g. GenerateTOC=1, GenerateIndex=1 etc. Save and close, and generate the PDF. FM would create all the components in the PDF automatically as specified by you in the settings file. You can even choose different templates and specify various numbering options. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For the second option, setting the SavePDFViaBookRoute flag is not required. Rest of the process works the same way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Useful resources<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>See the ditafm-output.ini overview and flag reference documentation for more details <a href="http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/ini/framemaker_11_ini_reference.pdf">http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/ini/framemaker_11_ini_reference.pdf</a> (Chapter 1 of the documentation). Online version of the documentation can be found</span> <a href="http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/ini/index.html">here</a>. <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are plenty of flags in this file to allow you to configure how the output gets generated<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To know more about how you can publish your DITAMAP to a professional PDF, while automatically generating TOC, Index etc., please see the blog post</span> <a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/tcs/2012/10/uncategorized/iniref.html">here</a> <o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also, see a related video here <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSMLpaqKxg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSMLpaqKxg</a> which shows this capability in action. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope it helps. Let us know how it goes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thx,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kapil Verma<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sr. Product Manager – FrameMaker line of products<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Ede<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> gillian.flato@nexenta.com; framers<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I am currently working a contract for a company where we are writing DITA files using FM11 (not TCS 4). Producing DITA using FM 11 is fairly easy, but there as some caveats. The built in EDDs, etc. allow producing more-or-less adequate PDF using SaveAsPDF from ditamap files. To get TOCs, covers and other nicities, you have to save the ditamap as a composite FM file and then add the additional files into a FM book containing the composite file. Exactly how to massage paragraph formats to get the results you desire withing the composite FM file is not transparent. Structured documents are more difficult to change the formats in since the EDD is the source of that information. (Any tips on how to get the notes that are warnings and cautions will be accepted with much happiness from anyone reading this.) <br> <br>Another avenue to PDF (as well as HTMLHELP, javaHelp and other formats) comes through using the DITA Open Toolkit. This is now easy to install so you get what you need and the results are great for many of the formats. Most of the help systems offered come through without muss or fuss except for an occasional unrecognized character that can cause problems but is easily fixed). My boss was astounded at the ease of producing HTMLHelp in this way.<br> <br>The DITAOpenToolkit PDF is equally easy to produce from a ditamap, but, of course, has a different look than the SaveAsPDF from FM11. This is because it uses CSS templates to format the output. The result is a terrible cover sheet, a great TOC, nice formatting of Warnings and the like. The regular notes icon is terrible; a finger pointing to the note that seems totally out of place [it reminds me of the similar character used by Walt Kelly in the world ballons for the P.T. Bridgeport character from POGO]. Wading into the OpenToolkits templates to modify the CSS is daughting, but doable. There are tips on this that pop up if you search the web, but, again, it is not particularly straightforward. Be sure to save the original copy of each template before modifying.<br> <br>My experience with DITA is that it is great at reducing duplication in manuals, aids in breaking apart tasks that actually combined multiple tasks in one (thus making them both clearer and more reusable), and helps to identify material in manuals that just got in there because the designers of a machine were enamoured of explaining how the pieces of it work (even if that information is useless for any operator or maintainance task). I love it! However, I would take the statement that TCS 4 offers a single out-of-the-box solution with a big grain of salt.<br> <br>I am going to send a separate posting with some DITA codeview interface complaints for Adobe to consider as areas where improvement is desired (at least from this user).<br> <br>Thanks.<br> <br>Craig Ede<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From: </span><a href="mailto:Gillian.Flato@nexenta.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Gillian.Flato@nexenta.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>To: </span><a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>framers@lists.frameusers.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution<br>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 +0000<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don’t have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the necessary pieces.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3<sup>rd</sup>-party scripts, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Thank You,</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Gillian Flato</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Senior Content Developer</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Skype: Gillian.B.Flato</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:Gillian.Flato@nexenta.com"><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Gillian.Flato@nexenta.com</span></b></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to framers as </span><a href="mailto:craigede@hotmail.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>craigede@hotmail.com</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>. 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