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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Robert,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Please see the response I sent out a few minutes ago. There is nothing wrong with the Adobe Pi font, but rather, there is a nasty mapping issue that should have been resolved in FrameMaker if they in fact had a .ini file setting mapping Type 1 Zapf Dingbats to Adobe Pi or any other OpenType version of Zapf Dingbats.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>And quite frankly, I think it is a hell of a lot of <i>chutzpa </i>on your part to label the designers of Adobe Pi as “morons.” The font simply follows the international specifications for both OpenType fonts and Unicode encoding. How does that make them “morons?” Likewise, you may not like the UI makeover of FrameMaker (maybe I don’t either), but that doesn’t make those who designed and implemented it “morons.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'> - Dov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border:none;border-top:solid #6A737B 1.0pt'><tr><td width=43 style='width:32.25pt;border:none;padding:0in 15.75pt 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=43 height=72 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CDF5A0.805BE150" alt="Description: D:\Documents\Adobe Artwork\2012\Adobe Products\E-mail Signature\adobe_logo_web.png"></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=580 valign=bottom style='width:435.0pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=677 style='width:507.75pt'><tr><td width=218 valign=bottom style='width:163.55pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:11.25pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dov Isaacs</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Principal Scientist<br>Adobe Systems Incorporated</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=168 valign=bottom style='width:126.2pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:11.25pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>+1 408.536.2896 (tel)<br>+1 408.242.5161 (cell)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:11.25pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:isaacs@adobe.com"><span style='color:black'>isaacs@adobe.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=bottom style='width:218.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:11.25pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>345 Park Avenue<br>San Jose, CA 95110-2704 USA<br><a href="http://www.adobe.com/"><span style='color:black'>http://www.adobe.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td><td valign=bottom style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=3 style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#00B050'>Feel free to print this e-mail if your needs dictate hard copy.<br>There is no need to feel guilty about printing!<br>Paper is renewable and recyclable.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>ISAACS-MOBILE.corp.adobe.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Lauriston<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 18, 2013 9:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Updating older versions of Adobe fonts? Slightly off-topic, but related in a way!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Adobe Pi's character map is different than the Type 1 Zapf that used<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>to be included with FrameMaker, so without the old font the solid,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>hollow, and square bullets in the template I inherited showed up as<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>question marks in my online help and PDF.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Maybe Adobe Pi was designed by the same morons who did the UI makeover<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>in FrameMaker 9.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Dov Isaacs <<a href="mailto:isaacs@adobe.com">isaacs@adobe.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Exactly what is the problem you have with Adobe Pi? Adobe Pi was designed to serve as a substitute for Zapf Dingbats originally for Acrobat and Reader and then for other Adobe applications. Although the design of each of the glyphs is not identical, Adobe Pi does do a fairly good job as a substitute and in some cases, the glyphs are much more modern looking than Zapf Dingbat’s highly dated look.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>