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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The nearest ISO (Note: International Standards organisation – not just European) size is A3, which just happens to be twice the area of A4. That’s approx. 11.5 x 16.5 inches (exactly 297 x 420 mm). If I had to deal with that and your quaint tabloid size I’d set up a custom size of 11 x 16.5.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree that Nadine’s suggestion of two templates is probably best if you have time to work through each document every time you change to check that there aren’t any unfortunate page breaks. Sensible use of “keep with next” instead of hard “top of page” settings can help of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alison Craig<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Writer; Lise Bible; Post Framers<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s a “what if” scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4 sizing issue (clever solution Nadine – I’ll keep that in mind for my Service Manual)… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size “fudge” for switching between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Writer<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Lise Bible; Post Framers<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are separate from the book and separate from each other). One template file is 8.5 x 11, and the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes (paragraph styles, character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the first template when you want to create a PDF for the US market. Once that's complete, apply the second template to the book to create the PDF for the European market.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Alternatively, you could use a processor that ignores your FM settings (that is, you would set up all your formatting in the processor), and then generate two different outputs.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Nadine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-align:center;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Lise Bible <<a href="mailto:rentagoodbook@gmail.com">rentagoodbook@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Post Framers <<a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:57:12 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv566373592><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Fellow Framers,</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this list's members to be quite helpful!</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American market or European.</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with 8.5x11 (US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it might need to be A4-sized for the European market.</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had recommendations.<br clear=all></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks,</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Lise</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>-- <br></span><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green'>Save the earth.</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#A13F00'> It's the only planet with chocolate.</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br><br><br>You are currently subscribed to framers as <a href="mailto:generic668@yahoo.ca">generic668@yahoo.ca</a>.<br><br>Send list messages to <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a>.<br><br>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<br><a href="mailto:framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com">framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>or visit <a href="http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca" target="_blank">http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca</a><br><br>Send administrative questions to <a href="mailto:listadmin@frameusers.com">listadmin@frameusers.com</a>. 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