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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Gary, for sharing this important note about your experience regarding conditional text. I have passed your, and everyone else’s info, to the appropriate personnel here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks again and I will make sure they make copies before attempting to delete anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jaime<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Zimmerman, Gary [mailto:Gary.Zimmerman@Teradata.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter); Jaime Zuniga; framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> MASSIVE WARNING: Read this first, and have a backup of your original<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> materials. If changes are made and files saved there is ZERO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> recovery or undo for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>I want to second Bernard's MASSIVE WARNING.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Bernard also wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> If you need to remove the condition, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> delete the tag (and you can then also delete the content).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>I used this technique a while back in FM7 to remove some obsolete conditions that still had instances of hidden, but unneeded text. I deleted the conditions, one by one, and answered the FM prompt dialog by allowing it to delete all the associated conditional text.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>After saving the document, it was no longer openable At All. Trying to open the doc, I received an instant FM error - one of those oh-so-informative dialogs with lots of cryptic error numbers, none of which yielded anything useful when I searched for them in the Adobe knowledge base.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>Luckily, I did have a backup of the document. We use structured FM. I experimented with copies of the original doc a while to try to figure out what was going on. It turned out that after I deleted one particular condition, allowing FM to delete the associated text, the structure entirely disappeared from the structure window! After that... the document was dead. Oh I could see it and change it and save it, but after I closed it, reopening it would instantly crash FM. No recovery possible at that point - no MIF wash possible or anything.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>I'm guessing that some hidden para or bit somewhere that was critical to the validity of the document or the binary integrity of the file had been somehow tagged with that condition, and when I deleted it, the doc became an invalid file. I worked around the problem by displaying all the text symbols and conditional text with indicators. Then I searched for instances the condition I wanted to delete, and deleted them one by one, watching the structure view after each deletion. Under those circumstances, none of the individual deletions caused the structure to disappear.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>I believe, but can't be certain because it was so long ago, that one of the instances of the deleted condition occurred at the end of the document. Perhaps some important formatting or structure information was contained in the final para or closing hidden symbol of the file that the find/delete removed to kill the document.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>But the moral of this shaggy dog story is:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> MASSIVE WARNING: ...have a backup of your original materials.<b><span style='color:maroon'><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>Always.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'>-- garyZ<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> From: <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [mailto:framers-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:bounces@lists.frameusers.com">bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] On Behalf Of Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Smarter)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:07 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: 'Jaime Zuniga'; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: RE: Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> MASSIVE WARNING: Read this first, and have a backup of your original<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> materials. If changes are made and files saved there is ZERO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> recovery or undo for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> On a book or a single document, after showing the conditions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 1. Edit > Find/Change<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 2. Select Conditional Text from the drop down<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 3. Set the dialog as needed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 4. Under Change, select "Text"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 5. Do NOT put any content into the space below it (that is, leave the text<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> to replace with as blank)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 6. Click Find<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 7. Click Change and review the results<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 8. If you are happy with this, use Change All<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> A few quick notes as well. This removes the content, not the condition. If<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> you need to remove the condition, delete the tag (and you<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> can then also delete the content). However, the method I have is very<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> quick to apply, even across a book.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Hope that helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Bernard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Bernard Aschwanden<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Owner/Operator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Publishing Smarter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.publishingsmarter.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>www.publishingsmarter.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Write Less. 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I have an FM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 10 file with conditional text, which is getting imported<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> into my translations program. I am looking for a way to delete that text<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> prior to importing for translation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Jaime<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> You are currently subscribed to framers as <a href="mailto:Gary.Zimmerman@teradata.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Gary.Zimmerman@teradata.com</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Send list messages to <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>framers@lists.frameusers.com</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> or visit<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gary.zimmerman%40teradata.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gary.zimmerman%40terad</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gary.zimmerman%40teradata.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>> ata.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Send administrative questions to <a href="mailto:listadmin@frameusers.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>listadmin@frameusers.com</span></a>. 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