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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Rick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thank you for the information, it sounds like an interesting tool. In my case no folders or files have been renamed so that isn’t the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Like Alison, I’d like to know *<b>why</b>* FrameMaker seems to be changing relative references to absolute ones when I’ve followed the rules and kept all files in the same directory with graphics neatly organized in a single subdirectory. My understanding of FrameMaker was that maintaining relative references was one of the program’s claims to fame; now it seems that “feature” is a lot more fragile than I thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Peggy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Rick Quatro [mailto:rick@rickquatro.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Alison Craig'; 'Paul Wilbraham'; Harvey, Peggy<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Relative vs. absolute links<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Alison and Peggy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Please forgive me if I have sent you this link before. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/23/managing-imported-images-solution/">http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/23/managing-imported-images-solution/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Rick Quatro<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Carmen Publishing Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>585-283-5045<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:rick@frameexpert.com">rick@frameexpert.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alison Craig<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Wilbraham; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Relative vs. absolute links<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would agree, as when I send the files out – all on the same drive – everything works fine with relative paths.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But when they come back – still all on the same drive – they are returned with absolute paths.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That’s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don’t change – but the paths become absolute anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no network issue, at least on my end.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Wilbraham [<a href="mailto:paul.wilbraham@m-ais.com">mailto:paul.wilbraham@m-ais.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alison Craig; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Relative vs. absolute links<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Alison <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. Graphics on a separate drive are absolute. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>--Paul <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig <<a href="mailto:Alison.Craig@ultrasonix.com">Alison.Craig@ultrasonix.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alison</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics in a series of subfolders.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] <strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>On Behalf Of </span></strong>Harvey, Peggy<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></strong> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></strong> 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></strong> Relative vs. absolute links</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Hi Framers,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I convert either way.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Here’s the sequence of events:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive to do the work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in .fm (or .book) format.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too – they were linked absolutely to the “Graphics” folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the relative “Graphics” folder I’d copied to the FM 7 folder.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from one version to another? At least that’s what seems to be happening, either when I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>FYI: Our final solution is we’re STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to FM 9 as soon as possible. I’m hoping he’ll be able to even though Adobe is on FM 11 now. I’ve seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to update to it at this time so I’m hoping he doesn’t have to, either.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'>Peggy<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>