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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pricing-wise, let's not forget the Adobe's "personalized experience" in the form of a different list price for different countries: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hYc_SEDqw&t=3m09s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hYc_SEDqw&t=3m09s</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Shlomo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>---------- Original message ----------<br>From: Shmuel Wolfson <<a href="mailto:shmuelw1@gmail.com">shmuelw1@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM<br>Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only<br>To: <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>Cc: Paula Stern <<a href="mailto:paula@writepoint.com">paula@writepoint.com</a>><br><br><br>If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to keep their access to the software, instead of paying for upgrades due to improvements. This reduces Adobe's incentive to add new features that they normally would add in order to convince people to upgrade. The upside might be that instead of working on new features they could focus on stability, but the lack of incentive to improve sounds like it will hurt the user in the long run.<br><br>In all fairness, if Adobe is insisting on a guaranteed income, they should be willing to lower the price in order to get that guarantee. So the price of the subscription should be lower than the price of constant upgrades. I'm under the impression that the subscription is about the same price as constant upgrades.<br><br>Regards,<br>Shmuel Wolfson<br>Technical Writer<br>052-763-7133<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br>On 21-May-13 7:35 PM, Shlomo Perets wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Just signed the petition and indicated the following as the reason for signing:<br><br>"It is really a matter of letting users choose, rather than aggressively force this or that option them.<br><br>Clearly, many Adobe users are still using older versions because many newer versions/upgrades were mediocre, half-baked, not too promising and/or too expensive. Instead of making an effort to produce inspiring/irresistible upgrades, they want to force all to constantly pay for the same software…"<br><br>[nothing original… I'm sure that these points and many other valid points were already made in the different threads in so many forums]<br><br>Shlomo Perets<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>MicroType, http:// <a href="http://microtype.com" target="_blank">microtype.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br>FrameMaker/Acrobat/Captivate training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants<br><br>Enable and encourage user input in PDFs (viewed with Adobe Reader)<br>Half-hour webinar (free; no fluff, no hype, no nonsense), June 5, starting 9am PDT<br><a href="https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/157658438" target="_blank">https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/157658438</a><br><br>---------- Original message ----------<br><br><br>At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote:<br><br>Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View of the Future, (<<a href="http://tidbits.com/e/13765" target="_blank">http://tidbits.com/e/13765</a>><a href="http://tidbits.com/e/13765" target="_blank">http://tidbits.com/e/13765</a>) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next.<br><br>I see from this article that there is a petition on Change.org to try to persuade Adobe to abandon this sales model. Please go here if you feel strongly about this issue:<br><br><<a href="http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model" target="_blank">http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model</a>><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>_______________________________________________<br><br><br>You are currently subscribed to framers as <a href="mailto:shmuelw1@gmail.com" target="_blank">shmuelw1@gmail.com</a>.<br><br>Send list messages to <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com" target="_blank">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a>.<br><br>To unsubscribe send a blank email to<br><a href="mailto:framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com" target="_blank">framers-unsubscribe@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>or visit <a href="http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com" target="_blank">http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com</a><br><br>Send administrative questions to <a href="mailto:listadmin@frameusers.com" target="_blank">listadmin@frameusers.com</a>. 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