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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Well, you’re getting into the details of how the operating system works. It’s best to try and look up the facts about this kind of thing rather than make guesses and reasonable assumptions (as computers are not always reasonable ;) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Try <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WoW64</a> and <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa384249(VS.85).aspx">http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa384249(VS.85).aspx</a> for starters.<br>A cursory read of that tends to suggest that the WoW subsystem provides a (collective?) virtual 32-bit memory space for the applications running on it…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>This is a pretty sophisticated functionality to provide memory management.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>One might expect that one of its features is not “applications will crash regularly if there isn’t at least 8GB available”, as this would be a serious bug.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Your mileage may vary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=647 style='width:485.25pt'><tr><td width=220 style='width:165.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Regards,<br><br><b>David Davis<br></b>Technical Author</span><span style='font-family:"Invensys Andale","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmuelw1@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 14 August 2013 08:18<br><b>To:</b> Fred Ridder<br><b>Cc:</b> Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>4 GB of RAM may be of no use to FrameMaker if it's the only application open, but if you have other applications open and you only have 4 GB, wouldn't those other application be competing for the same 4 GB? In which case, if you have 8 GB you are better off.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Shmuel Wolfson<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Technical Writer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>052-763-7133<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 13-Aug-13 5:26 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>You seem to have missed my point completely. <br><br>The purpose of my posting was to refute the categorical statement made by another poster that "More than 4 GB of RAM is of absolutely no use for running a 32-bit application, whether it be on a 32-bit or 64-bit operating system." <br><br>Of course it is true that one of the most basic functions of an OS is memory management. I said nothing that disagrees with that.<br><br>-Fred Ridder<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>> From: <a href="mailto:David.Davis@invensys.com">David.Davis@invensys.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 04:29:32 -0500<br>> Subject: RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM! <br>> <br>> Fred, one of the most basic functions of an operating system is to be able to manage memory (without crashing!) :) <br>> Simply because applications might all want more memory on the go at one time than is physically available, should not mean that anything crashes! It gets paged in and out. Windows 7, indeed, has more robust sandboxing of memory usage between apps than Windows XP. <br>> The idea that "you gotta have 8GB of RAM otherwise Frame will crash" is a bit sweeping!<br>> David<br>> <br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 14:37:29 -0400<br>> From: Fred Ridder <a href="mailto:docudoc@hotmail.com"><docudoc@hotmail.com></a><br>> To: Helen Borrie <a href="mailto:helebor@iinet.net.au"><helebor@iinet.net.au></a>,<br>> <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">"framers@lists.frameusers.com"</a> <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com"><framers@lists.frameusers.com></a><br>> Subject: RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!<br>> Message-ID: <a href="mailto:BAY171-W98706B7F8EC1559036865CBA580@phx.gbl"><BAY171-W98706B7F8EC1559036865CBA580@phx.gbl></a><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> But the application is not the only thing using memory. Even if a 32-bit application can only address 4 GB, any additional installed memory can still be used by the OS and by other processes if a 64-bit OS is being used. Having more than 4 GB means that a 32-bit application will have a lot less contention for memory resources even if it can only access 1/2 or 1/3 of the total memory available to the OS.<br>> <br>> -Fred Ridder<br>> <br>> > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 06:23:55 +1200<br>> > To: <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>> > From: <a href="mailto:helebor@iinet.net.au">helebor@iinet.net.au</a><br>> > Subject: RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!<br>> > <br>> > At 01:32 a.m. 10/08/2013, Rick Quatro wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > >Otherwise, make sure the writers have plenty of RAM. In my opinion, 8 GB is the minimum. This may help with the performance problems.<br>> > > <br>> > <br>> > More than 4 GB of RAM is of absolutely no use for running a 32-bit application, whether it be on a 32-bit or 64-bit operating system.<br>> > <br>> > Helen<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). 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