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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>If I understand what you are suggesting, your workaround will only solve the problem with Alistair's workaround when there are exactly two conditional paragraphs in a row, because the problem I observed occurs *every* time you start a new conditionalized paragraph. The last paragraph in the chain will have a conditionalized pilcrow, but every other paragraph will be incompletely conditionalized and will produce vertical whitespace. <br><br>You can kludge the immediately preceding non-conditionalized paragraph to suppress the first instance of whitespace as you suggest, but that doesn't really fix the problem. In fact, if the two paragraphs have different formatting, your workaround will actually *cause* problems because the unconditionalized paragraph will be formatted according to the pilcrow for the first conditional paragraph when you hide the condition.<br><br>-Fred Ridder<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: TechSubs@VibrantLivingMinistries.org<br>To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com<br>Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?<br>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:07:54 -0700<br><br><style><!--
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--></style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";">Fred et. al. (and particularly Al),</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";">I believe it works if you conditionalize the pilcrow <i>preceding</i> the conditional text. Now, I realize that this is an absurd solution from any user’s perspective, but in the land of a devolving product, if it works (i.e., eliminates that vertical white space) … :)<br><br>Elchanan</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fred Ridder<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alastair Dent; Jaime Zuniga; framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">I was going to suggest this same workaround, but I thought I'd better test it before I recommended it since I have not used it since FM6 or maybe 7. <br><br>I currently use FM9, and with this version (at least) the workaround doesn't work quite right. It does successfully leave the condition tag in effect for the new paragraph, since the new paragraph is not an empty paragraph due to the "dummy" character. But the new pilcrow at the end of the existing paragraph becomes unconditional, which *will* cause problems downstream because you'll wind up with vertical whitespace for every not-quite-fully-conditionalized paragraph. Bummer.<br><br>-Fred Ridder</span></p><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"><hr id="ecxstopSpelling" align="center" size="3" width="100%"></span></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From: <a href="mailto:alastair.dent@imgtec.com">alastair.dent@imgtec.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:JZuniga@protranslating.com">JZuniga@protranslating.com</a>; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?<br>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:23:13 +0000</span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;">Enter a 'dummy' character to the right of your cursor before pressing enter (making sure that the condition applies to this).</span></p><div><div class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-align:center;" align="center"><span style="color:black;"><hr align="center" size="3" width="100%"></span></div><div id="ecxdivRpF789907"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black;"> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Jaime Zuniga [JZuniga@protranslating.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> 29 August 2013 20:53<br><b>To:</b> Frame Users (<a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a>) (<a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a>)<br><b>Subject:</b> Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?</span><span style="color:black;"></span></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Hi Everyone,</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">How do I maintain conditional formatting on text from one paragraph to the next. </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">For example, if I am typing text in a certain condition and I need to create a new paragraph in that same condition I want to be able to just press Enter and keep typing in that same condition. Every time that I press Enter I lose the conditional formatting in the new paragraph.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">I know that I can just select the new paragraph and assign the condition to it manually, but I want to avoid that extra step, if possible.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Any help would be appreciated.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Jaime</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"><br>_______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to framers as <a href="mailto:DocuDoc@hotmail.com">DocuDoc@hotmail.com</a>. 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