<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">It sounds like you're changing structure models (some XML model before, and now to DITA)<div><br></div><div>If that's the case, you'll need to convert the current content to DITA, likely using XSLT, and likely using Scott P, Rick Q, or another expert.<br><div>
<p style="font-family: Times; "></p><p></p><p style="font-family: Times; "></p><p></p><p style="font-family: Times; "></p><p></p><p style="font-family: Times; "></p><p></p><p style="font-family: Times; "></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="font-family: Times; "></p><p></p><p></p><p style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "></p><p></p><p style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "></p><p></p><p style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "></p><p></p><p style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>-Matt<br></p><div id="sig" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; width: 500px; color: rgb(0, 51, 153); "><span style="font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; ">Matt R. 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</div><br><div><div>On Oct 24, 2013, at 1:04 PM, <a href="mailto:dwyercl2@verizon.net">dwyercl2@verizon.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12px; "><div>Thanks, Tino--I appreciate the 'refresher course' on Structured FM, as it was 2007 when I created all the old XML files for FM7.2. I'll be downloading and reading manuals for a bit before I jump in feet first now! I looked at a sample DITA EDD in FM11 and compared it to my old EDD--the names were slightly different (Chapter vs ChapterElement, for example) and I couldn't remember whether I made mine up way-back-when or if those were designated. So, I'll be reading up on everything, as I said!<br><br>Thanks again for your kind explanations!<br>Cheryl<br></div><div> </div><div style="border-top:1px solid #bcbcbc;margin:5px 0px;"></div><span style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; ">On 10/24/13, <span>Heiko Haida<<a href="mailto:info@heiko-haida.de">info@heiko-haida.de</a>></span> wrote:</span><div> </div><div style="font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; "><p>Hi Cheryl,</p><p>as Matt and Scott have already mentioned, there are differences, but you should be able to work with your old files and get some result, at least. </p><p>FrameMaker works with Unicode characters since FM 8. Some older settings for characters - iso characters in the r/w rules, prefix/suffix entries (EDD) or numbering formats/reference definitions (in the templates) - may have to be updated or modified. You have to be aware of that if you convert FM 7.2-files.</p><p>FM 11 now supports XSLT 2. Of course, XSLT 1-templates should still work.</p><p>As you know, the structured environment consists mainly of the following parts/files:</p><p>structured application definition file = structapps.fm<br>read/write-rules file<br>DTD and entity definitions<br>EDD<br>Template(s) with imported EDD</p><p>In your structapps.fm, you define the file paths for all necessary files. All files except the DTD itself are genuine FrameMaker files.<br>First, you should make sure that the structapps.fm is of the newest version. Create a new structapps.fm with FM 11 and copy (only) the application entries of the old FM 7.2-file into it (via the structure-view window), without the header.<br>All other files should at least be opened and saved with FM 11.</p><p>If you can get some How-to-instructions for FM 8 or FM 9, these will also be helpful for FM 11.</p><p>Manuals are available from the Adobe Website. Look for "FM structure application developer guide" and "reference". We just had a discussion on "frameusers" about this and it seems, that in fact the newest versions of these manuals were released with FM 9 (which is pretty long time ago...).</p><p>The FM 11 online help is here: <br><a class="parsedLink" href="http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f73d53-8000.html" target="_blank">http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f73d53-8000.html</a></p><p>You can get infos on some commercial sites for free too, eg. here: <a class="parsedLink" href="http://wiki.scriptorium.com./tiki-index.php" target="_blank">http://wiki.scriptorium.com./tiki-index.php</a></p><p>Good luck -</p><p>Tino H. Haida, Berlin</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:dwyercl2@verizon.net" target="_blank">dwyercl2@verizon.net</a>:</p><blockquote style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px" type="cite"><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12px; "><p class="MsoNormal">Background: My company recently purchased FM11 and after using FM7.2 forever, I'm now learning my way around FM11 one-day-at-a-time. I had created structured FM7.2 files and was working on round-tripping them to-XML-and-back several years ago, when we were "overtaken by events" and I never did get the XSLT stylesheets worked out. <br><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Present: In opening my old FM7.2 structured files, I'm finding all the work I did on creating EDDs and other special files for XML pretty much obsolete or so it seems. (The structure dev guide was a huge help back then...) Is there a magic bullet or two that I can use to be able to re-use the 34-page EDD (lots of thought and work put into that way-back-when), or should I just start over from scratch and let FM11 do the heavy lifting that the marketing blurbs on it says it will do?</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Any pitfalls I should be aware of? Advice? Books I should get? Is there a FM11 structure dev guide available? Any help or suggestions are welcome!</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Thanks!<br>Cheryl Dwyer</p><p class="MsoNormal">Lead Tech Writer<br>Industrial Medium Software, Inc.<br>McLean, VA</p></div></blockquote></div></div>
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