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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I understand the concern you all are talking about … maybe, I have been lucky. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Like I mentioned, my default setting and use (almost all the time actually) is Acrobat. With the exception of TeXStudio (that has its own built-in PDF displayer “linked” to the LaTeX source) when I am creating PDF output from LaTeX input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Since other PDF files (in browsers, file explorer, etc.) open in Acrobat by default for me (I don’t change “ownership” as Dov mentions, for example), I suspect that the issues that Dov notes in this 2011 post is <i>probably</i> not going to affect me either.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I only manually use Reader as a final step to check for any <i>basic</i> issue with reading one of my created PDF files. The “common Reader/Acrobat fonts” issue he mentions is moot, since I embed the few fonts I use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Frankly, I have never found an issue, for the documents I create, in Reader, that I didn’t see in Acrobat in the first place (like incorrect hyperlinks, info properties, etc.), so this final step is probably unnecessary anyway. And, our customers who download my PDF’s have not found any issue either.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>BTW, when testing for alternatives to Adobe Acrobat last fall, I installed and removed four or five PDF generation programs from other sources. Luckily, none of them affected my Acrobat (or Reader) installation. (After de-install of those programs, Acrobat continued to work quite normally – as I recall, I only had to reset the “use Acrobat as the default program for PDF” in Windows for only one product.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is not surprising, I suppose, since <i>their</i> files and DLL’s, etc., are probably quite uniquely different from what Adobe has in Acrobat and Reader.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Z<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Reng, Dr. Winfried<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Hi,</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>I also follow Dov’s advice not to install Adobe Reader</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>and Acrobat on the same PC. And I also recommend to</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>use a virtual machine, if you really think you need Adobe</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Reader.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Syed, Dov warned not only in 2004 but also in the last years.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Therefore this is not related only to outdated software but</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>to our current versions. The latest comments are from 2011:</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'><a href="http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-February/022324.html">http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-February/022324.html</a></span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Admittedly this warning was not as strong as in the years before.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>In previous e-mails Dov also recommended to test on an old</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>system with only few fonts and little „power“. And do not forget</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>to test also other PDF viewers. And specifically also on Mac.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Best regards</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Winfried</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#993366'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Syed Zaeem Hosain (<a href="mailto:Syed.Hosain@aeris.net">Syed.Hosain@aeris.net</a>)<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Wickham; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 – almost ten years ago… on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader …</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><shrug> Works for me (and I ain’t boasting … merely reporting. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>)</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Z</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Wickham<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here:<br><br> ><i> Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to one's system...<br> </i>><br><i> </i>><br><i> - Dov </i>><i> </i><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Here's a link explaining some reasons why: <br><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html</a><br><br> > I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by "Acrobat" I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) <br><br> > But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are even more appropriate! <br><br> - Dov ><br><br>I got the above results using "Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer" as a search term on Google. There are more results.<br><br>I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts.<br><br>On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:<span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>All,</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>I have heard on many </span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>occasions that</span> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this?</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>Thank you,</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#17365D'>TVB</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal> <span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='color:windowtext'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><br>This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. 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