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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace
 you are using.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Make sure that you did not use Edit->Preferences and change your user interface to “FrameMaker XML Editor” … which does make those menus go away.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040">Maxwell Hoffmann</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#404040"> |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Downing<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched
 on my own, and found the menu option Format -> Paragraph -> Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with
 the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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