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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Verdana">Aw .. c'mon ..
that's a bit harsh, don't you think?</font><br>
<br>
I'm not a fan of the "new" (since FM9) UI either, but personally
attacking the people behind the current product really isn't fair.
The current team developing FrameMaker *is* very interested in
customer feedback, and does listen. (And it's certainly not the
programmers' faults .. they implement the features they are told
to.)<br>
<br>
The new UI is a significant change from the old standard, but can
be tamed if you're willing to spend the time to learn how to make
it do what you want. There are training videos and other info
about setting up workspaces and other features, and with FM12,
they have fixed most of the missing keyboard shortcuts (I
believe). I totally agree that there are some frustrating aspects
to it, but that's the new world of UI design. If you don't like
it, stick with FM8. No one is forcing you to upgrade (although
they do encourage it).<br>
<br>
As for XML editors .. I think you'll find that XMetaL is
considerably lacking when compared to FM. Especially if you're
planning on generating PDFs .. you'll either need to take a step
back on your formatting and layout, or you'll still need to use FM
for PDF publishing. (But I am biased .. I'll admit that freely.)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
...scott<br>
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On 3/29/14 4:08 PM, Zimmerman, Gary wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b
style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
Roman";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
swear it's like the Adobe FrameMaker developers do
absolutely NO usability testing, get absolutely NO feedback
from existing customers, focus groups, or anything else
before they foist on us a crappy, untested GUI that their
offshore developers implemented in some kind of cultural
vacuum.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>(Not offshore culture so much as programmer culture -
before any programmers get offended, there are plenty of
exceptional programmers who have a GREAT sense of usability
and customer needs - apparently Adobe hasn't hired any for
the FM team, nor any usability/human factors consultants.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
programming underneath may be great (I doubt it, with the
general fragility of the thing for many releases now), but
the usability if off-the-charts bad.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>
Like something designed by a bunch of college programmers
who have no concept of building a usable product, but
instead think "more is better" so they toss in everything
figuring that they'll have something for everyone, and end
up with such a hash salad that you spend more time jumping
through GUI hoops than you do productive writing.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>(Remember what college kids did when word processors
introduce lots of fun fonts to play with - the FM 9 and 10
GUI is pretty much the GUI equivalent of "ransom letter"
tech writing.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
can remember when FM was unquestionably a better choice than
Word for any serious documentation work.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>Now they're approaching parity.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I don't know about FM8,
but when we jumped from 7 to 9, it was all downhill after
that.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>We're on 10 now, debating upgrading.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>
We're also moving to a DITA CMS and <span class="SpellE">Xmetal</span>
editor - much less powerful, but it does what it needs to do
without being an obstacle to the writers.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>We didn't even consider using FM as our XML editor,
though the transition might have been less of an issue for
our writers who are used to FM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sorry
to rant.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>I LIKE FM.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I'm
just so sorry they messed with the GUI and messed up so
badly with 9 and onwards.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>They may fix it to be decent again incrementally, but
like Windows 8, they should have scrapped the whole thing
when they realized what a horrible blunder they made instead
of turning a deaf ear and insisting everything was great for
so long, when real users knew it wasn't so.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Credibility gone.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>Maybe 11 is better, maybe 12 even better.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>
Don't know if I'll ever get to try them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">--
garyZ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
Roman";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
Roman";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman""> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick Quatro<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'rebecca officer';
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: making stuff unconditional in FM12<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Rebecca,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
see what you mean and agree that if you want to quickly
remove all conditions from a selection, it is painful.
They should put the Unconditional button back in, or have
a modifier key were you could uncheck everything with one
click.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rick
Quatro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Carmen
Publishing Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">585-366-4017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rick@frameexpert.com">rick@frameexpert.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-outline-level:1">
<b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>rebecca officer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> making stuff unconditional in FM12<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">I just went looking for
the "unconditional" button in the revamped Conditional
Tags pod in FM12. It ain't there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">Am I just being blind?
Or is there another one-or-two-click way to make stuff
unconditional?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">At the moment, it looks
like I either have to go the Copy Special route, or
manually untick all the tick boxes. To add insult to
injury, they go On > As Is > Off, so I have to
click each tickbox *twice* to clear it. Seriously,
Adobe??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif"">Rebecca<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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