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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Verdana">Aw .. c'mon ..
        that's a bit harsh, don't you think?</font><br>
      <br>
      I'm not a fan of the "new" (since FM9) UI either, but personally
      attacking the people behind the current product really isn't fair.
      The current team developing FrameMaker *is* very interested in
      customer feedback, and does listen. (And it's certainly not the
      programmers' faults .. they implement the features they are told
      to.)<br>
      <br>
      The new UI is a significant change from the old standard, but can
      be tamed if you're willing to spend the time to learn how to make
      it do what you want. There are training videos and other info
      about setting up workspaces and other features, and with FM12,
      they have fixed most of the missing keyboard shortcuts (I
      believe). I totally agree that there are some frustrating aspects
      to it, but that's the new world of UI design. If you don't like
      it, stick with FM8. No one is forcing you to upgrade (although
      they do encourage it).<br>
      <br>
      As for XML editors .. I think you'll find that XMetaL is
      considerably lacking when compared to FM. Especially if you're
      planning on generating PDFs .. you'll either need to take a step
      back on your formatting and layout, or you'll still need to use FM
      for PDF publishing. (But I am biased .. I'll admit that freely.)<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      <br>
      ...scott<br>
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      On 3/29/14 4:08 PM, Zimmerman, Gary wrote:<br>
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        {margin-left:3.0pt;}
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      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b
            style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
              New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
              Roman";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
            swear it's like the Adobe FrameMaker developers do
            absolutely NO usability testing, get absolutely NO feedback
            from existing customers, focus groups, or anything else
            before they foist on us a crappy, untested GUI that their
            offshore developers implemented in some kind of cultural
            vacuum.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>(Not offshore culture so much as programmer culture -
            before any programmers get offended, there are plenty of
            exceptional programmers who have a GREAT sense of usability
            and customer needs - apparently Adobe hasn't hired any for
            the FM team, nor any usability/human factors consultants.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
            programming underneath may be great (I doubt it, with the
            general fragility of the thing for many releases now), but
            the usability if off-the-charts bad.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>
            Like something designed by a bunch of college programmers
            who have no concept of building a usable product, but
            instead think "more is better" so they toss in everything
            figuring that they'll have something for everyone, and end
            up with such a hash salad that you spend more time jumping
            through GUI hoops than you do productive writing.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>(Remember what college kids did when word processors
            introduce lots of fun fonts to play with - the FM 9 and 10
            GUI is pretty much the GUI equivalent of "ransom letter"
            tech writing.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
            can remember when FM was unquestionably a better choice than
            Word for any serious documentation work.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>Now they're approaching parity.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>I don't know about FM8,
            but when we jumped from 7 to 9, it was all downhill after
            that.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>We're on 10 now, debating upgrading.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>
            We're also moving to a DITA CMS and <span class="SpellE">Xmetal</span>
            editor - much less powerful, but it does what it needs to do
            without being an obstacle to the writers.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>We didn't even consider using FM as our XML editor,
            though the transition might have been less of an issue for
            our writers who are used to FM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sorry
            to rant.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>I LIKE FM.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>I'm
            just so sorry they messed with the GUI and messed up so
            badly with 9 and onwards.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>They may fix it to be decent again incrementally, but
            like Windows 8, they should have scrapped the whole thing
            when they realized what a horrible blunder they made instead
            of turning a deaf ear and insisting everything was great for
            so long, when real users knew it wasn't so.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Credibility gone.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
            </span>Maybe 11 is better, maybe 12 even better.<span
              style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>
            Don't know if I'll ever get to try them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">--
            garyZ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
              New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
              Roman";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
              New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
              Roman";color:maroon"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
        <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in
          0in 0in 4.0pt">
          <div>
            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
              1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span
                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
                    New Roman"">From:</span></b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
                  New Roman""> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick Quatro<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:50 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> 'rebecca officer';
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> RE: making stuff unconditional in FM12<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
              Rebecca,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
              see what you mean and agree that if you want to quickly
              remove all conditions from a selection, it is painful.
              They should put the Unconditional button back in, or have
              a modifier key were you could uncheck everything with one
              click.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rick
              Quatro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Carmen
              Publishing Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">585-366-4017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:rick@frameexpert.com">rick@frameexpert.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <div>
            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
              1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
              <p class="MsoNormal"
                style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-outline-level:1">
                <b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>
                  [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>rebecca officer<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:19 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> making stuff unconditional in FM12<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif"">Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif"">I just went looking for
                the "unconditional" button in the revamped Conditional
                Tags pod in FM12. It ain't there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif"">Am I just being blind?
                Or is there another one-or-two-click way to make stuff
                unconditional?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif"">At the moment, it looks
                like I either have to go the Copy Special route, or
                manually untick all the tick boxes. To add insult to
                injury, they go On > As Is > Off, so I have to
                click each tickbox *twice* to clear it. Seriously,
                Adobe??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif"">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif"">Rebecca<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
              style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
                UI","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
              UI","sans-serif""><br>
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