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<span class="GramE">2</span> scenarios. I supply Frame files and receive them back – then I do all the DTP (in a maximum of 17 languages).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#0033CC"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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files (technical errors, not translation errors) are the responsibility of the translation bureau. As they know they have working Frame files at the start of the process, they have to take responsibility for returning working Frame files when the job is done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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runs between $5,000 and $15,000, this is a minuscule price to pay to ensure we have working files.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com]
<b>On Behalf <span class="GramE">Of</span> </b>Heiko Haida<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> framers@lists.frameusers.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Trados and <span class="GramE">FM9 :</span> Company requests files in MIF format?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi Stephen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">well, I have been working for translation companies for more than 15 years (DTP). There are two ways to handle this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">a) mif files are supplied for translation, mif files are returned (no dtp involved). This is best if you can handle all dtp yourself.<br>
It is necessary to know which mif version (which FM version) is used, that is most important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">b) Frame files are supplied and a dtp step is involved for preparation.
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In this case, it is preferable to have all details about the layout and design rules communicated. Fonts should be supplied, graphics should be supplied (they might also contain text btw).
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If you want to get the translations back fully layouted (or get PDFs ready to publish), you should make sure that your source files are accurate in the way the layouts are set and formats and typography are used, so that no one has to guess what was originally
intended.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">As you can see, b) may need a lot of communication, preparation and data transfer in both directions. It may of course be useful, but it only makes sense if there is a certain (recurring)
amount of text to be translated, or if languages are involved where you can not provide the proper typesetting yourself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Craig, Alison:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#0033CC">Stephen:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#0033CC">For the past 8 years, I’ve managed a significant number of translation projects and I’ve never heard of the customer
having to provide MIF files to a translation bureau.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#0033CC">Are they also returning the files to you in MIF format? If so, this means the translation bureau has not opened and
tested the finished Frame files – an important step in a properly run translation project.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#0033CC">Can I ask who your translation bureau is? I can recommend a couple that do excellent work and are very competitive
on pricing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#0033CC;mso-ansi-language:FR">Alison</span><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">On Behalf </span></strong><span class="GramE"><span class="grame"><b>Of</b></span></span><strong><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
</span></strong>Stephen O'Brien<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></strong> Tuesday, May 20, 2014 6:03 AM<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></strong> Frame Users (<a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a>)<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></strong> Trados and
<span class="GramE"><span class="grame">FM9 :</span></span> Company requests files in MIF format?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">(FM9, Windows 7)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">I have a book of 40 files, graphics imported by reference; no text insets.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">The translation company want me to provide files in MIF format. I am surprised that Trados does not accept the files in .FM format. Is this normal?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">I have never created MIF files before. At least, it seems like a long manual process. Is there a plug-in that does a complete book? I imagine the graphic files remain linked by reference.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">Any comments are much appreciated. BTW, we plan to upgrade to FM 12 very soon. Would that help (not have to convert to MIF?).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">Have a good day,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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