<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Just to let all know that I had e-mailed the list moderator either the same day or one day later (and that was what? a week ago or so?), and I still don't know why my posts are held back.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>-- Ken in Atlanta<br></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:57 AM, "Harding, Dan" <dharding@illinois.edu> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3539261760"><style>#yiv3539261760 #yiv3539261760 --
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I made a similar complaint about the over-moderation and delays as of late on this list, and the message was never posted to the list… as I expect this one
to not be posted as well.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Manual approval for every single message to the list is an outdated method. For those people who need help resolving problems in a timely manner, having to
wait until the next 24- or 48-hour moderation point comes up slows down communication and resolution in both directions.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">On an open list, responses can be made and viewed as fast as the parties make them. With manual moderation, party A makes a request, it’s actually made public
up to 24 hours later. Even if someone responds with an answer, THAT response won’t be seen by the originator (unless cc’d) until another 24 hours pass, thus slowing down each response cycle to as long as 48 hours.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">This list was not always manually processed like it is now. What brought it on, and was it approved by the list membership or unilaterally decided upon by one
or two parties? For that matter, as Craig asked, who is actually in charge of this list?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">For the list to be effective, the communication needs to be in real time (or as close to real time as email allows).</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">-Dan</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Ede<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:52 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> 'Ken Poshedly'; framers@lists.frameusers.com<br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious users
ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that used to break out here every year and a
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3539261760MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Craig</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Poshedly<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> FrameMaker Users List<br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> FrameMaker graphics question</span></div>
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