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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>That is very true. The Word documents I'm working with right now are highly consistent in the use of styles, etc. That makes a huge difference. Conversion is a chore, but the results are very clean. As the saying goes: Garbage In/Garbage Out. If you are have format-as-you-go, unstyled Word docs, converting to plain body text might make sense, and then formatting the other styles as needed.<br><br>Craig<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: dharding@illinois.edu<br>To: craigede@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com<br>Subject: RE: Copying Word text to FM unstructured 12.<br>Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:11:27 +0000<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">It depends on the quality and nature of the material that is being done in Word, the type of publication, how the graphics are composed, the uniformity (or
lack thereof) of the Word files in question, etc. What you are proposing, in some cases might actually be more work, not less.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">There is no one single solution. What works for one environment/workflow won’t work for another.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Dan Harding</span></b><span style="color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Technical Editorial Specialist</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">University of Illinois Tax School</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">419 Mumford Hall</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">1301 West Gregory Drive</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Urbana, IL 61801</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">217-333-0935</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> Craig Ede [mailto:craigede@hotmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Harding, Dan; framers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Copying Word text to FM unstructured 12.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">This seems like a way to create a lot of extra work. MIF washing after open a Word file in FM gets rid of a lot of Word anomalies. Removing the graphics leaves
out placeholders that give clues as to the size and nature of the graphic to be used (and some graphics extracted from Word by the changing of .docx to .zip trick) will have lost added callouts, arrows, etc.<br>
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My advice, especially for longer documents would be to open the Word doc in FM, MIF wash and replace the graphics as need. I have a PDF of a series of steps I use to clean up such imports. If anybody is interested in that, send me a request off list. Start
with a FM template the mimics your word style names to make things easy. You can change all the style names via scripts in FM mifs after the fact if you want new style names.<br>
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Thanks.<br>
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Craig</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:dharding@illinois.edu">dharding@illinois.edu</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:Syed.Hosain@aeris.net">Syed.Hosain@aeris.net</a>; <a href="mailto:hwinberg@hobartsystems.com">
hwinberg@hobartsystems.com</a>; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>
Subject: RE: Copying Word text to FM unstructured 12.<br>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:37:12 +0000</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">My workflow from Word to FM doesn’t use plain text, as I don’t want to have to manually recreate footnotes (our content is footnote-heavy) or re-apply bold or italics within
paragraphs. By the same token, I want to get rid of all of the Word-defined styles.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">(There likely is a more elegant way to do this via MIF2GO, but I have not had time to investigate this yet, so I’m still doing it old-school.)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">This doesn’t get rid of 100% of the Word-inflicted anomalies, but I would posit that it gets rid of 90%+, while still retaining the above attributes.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Save a copy of your Word file that has embedded graphics deleted (You’ll want to re-place them in FM anyway). Depending on whether you are importing Word index markers or have round-tripped
from FM to Word to FM, you’ll want to experiment with backsaving .docx (Word 2010 & 2013) files to .doc (Word 2003 & 2007) format, as sometimes index markers fall by the wayside.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Open a blank version of your FM template file.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Import Word file into document (not by reference).</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Select all.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">5.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Apply your default paragraph text style to entire document. This removes any Word-based paragraph styles from the majority of the text while retaining inline bold and italics.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">6.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Wash via MIF.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">7.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Global search <space><space> to <space>. Repeat until none are found. This will remove consecutive spaces.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">8.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Global search <space>\p to \p. This removes any trailing spaces at the end of paragraphs.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">9.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Global search \p<space> to \p. This removes any leading spaces at the beginning of paragraphs.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in;"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">10.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;">
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Global search \p\p to \p. This removes consecutive blank lines. Repeat until none are found.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">There will still be tidying to be done and re-application of non-text paragraph styles, but it’s a good starting point.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Note: I don’t know how tables import from Word to FM, as I use LaTeX to set all my tables and treat them as imported graphics in FM.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Dan Harding</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Technical Editorial Specialist</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">University of Illinois Tax School</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">419 Mumford Hall</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">1301 West Gregory Drive</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Urbana, IL 61801</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">217-333-0935</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Syed Zaeem Hosain (<a href="mailto:Syed.Hosain@aeris.net">Syed.Hosain@aeris.net</a>)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 16, 2014 6:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Winberg, Harold; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Copying Word text to FM unstructured 12.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">What I like to do is save the Word file as “Plain Text” from Word 2013 … this is one of the options within Word to output file formats.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">This makes every paragraph in the Word document stay as a
<b>single</b> line in the text file.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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When I read this text file into FrameMaker, the single line converts automatically into a single paragraph again.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">One other thing I do is turn hyphenation off inside Word – this avoid dash character inserts inside the words.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Finally, saving this way helps my em-dashs, smart-quotes, etc., also stay properly output into the text files (have to use the “Windows default” option when saving as text).</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Much simpler to do this rather than having to do tons of post-edits to fix all the “special” characters.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">
<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a> [<a href="mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com">mailto:framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Winberg, Harold<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 16, 2014 10:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Copying Word text to FM unstructured 12.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">Do I have to anything special when copying and pasting word into FM 12. I understand it should be plain text or it can retain a lot of Word garbage.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">Does FM 12 take care of this or do I need to save or paste it as plain text??</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">Thanks</span></p>
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