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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hmmm … I don’t know how to answer your questions for certain, but can make a few comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I have not tried with a file/book “built from scratch” yet – will see if that makes a difference. This is, however, a royal pain, since it is far easier to start from an existing book to create a new one 9keeps stuff “consistent”!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>OTOH, I am not creating any new documents in FrameMaker (moved process to LaTeX to avoid the FM pricing problem in the future), so this may be moot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>A tiny few of my documents have evolved over time from FrameMaker 4 (from when I began using FM again on Windows).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Many of my docs started from FrameMaker 6 era though – just upgraded over time as I edited them for updates, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>A few are brand-new in FrameMaker 9,10 and 11 (and then moved to 12 for updates).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regardless, it is always easier to simply start with an existing folder containing the book/files from another document, to begin work on a new doc. This makes it easier to get exactly the templates, paragraph and font formats, colors, etc., that I want … for a consistent look and feel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My files are very clean now – for example, some have had the master pages fonts changed to ensure that <i>only</i> the fonts I want are included in the PDF, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>When editing a document for updates, I do the occasional “Save As” and MIF-washes too … to clear up stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The result so far is that with RGB mode selected, I get what I want/expect in the PDF. With CMYK, italic paragraphs have kerning removed; intra-links and extra-links (to URL’s) are missing; some text fonts lose the bolding (yes, I use a Character Format for “Bold”), etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>However, I have not been comprehensive about all this yet, so will confirm everything soon. I may also go back to a backup tape and see if can find the specific FM docs I used to sent to Adobe (somebody in India) and see how end up do in 12.0.4 … will have to wait till next week for some time though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Z<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims.ml@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 27, 2015 5:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> Davis, David<br><b>Cc:</b> Denis Daly; Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Syed,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you converted from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at least for me) the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed for FM12, is only fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the documents I have that were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs with text-searchable SVG graphics. All of the documents that are created in FM12 produce PDFs with searchable SVG graphics. <br><br>So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't simply import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that you can't copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting as Unicode text does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your formatting tags and recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content. Oddly, you can copy and paste the tables in without causing an issue.<br><br>Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or referenced graphics.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David <<a href="mailto:David.Davis@non.schneider-electric.com" target="_blank">David.Davis@non.schneider-electric.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend logging it in the Adobe bug tracker.<br>When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in there for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,<br>which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!<br>The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their dev team.<br><br>David<br>________________________________________<br>From: Denis Daly [<a href="mailto:d.daly@icpnewtech.com">d.daly@icpnewtech.com</a>]<br>Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56<br>To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (<a href="mailto:Syed.Hosain@aeris.net">Syed.Hosain@aeris.net</a>); Davis, David; <a href="mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com">framers@lists.frameusers.com</a><br><span class=im>Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?</span><br><br><span class=im>Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.</span><br><br><span class=im>I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the problem.</span><br><br><span class=im>Denis</span><br><br><span class=im>*** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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