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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Frank Ripp said:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Maybe it is time – if I upgrade, should it be to Frame 12 or “Frame 2015”?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hmmm … probably worth just going to FrameMaker 2015 in your case, I would think? The cost for either upgrade (well … not an upgrade really, since it is a new purchase cost!) would be the same for you … of course, the point that Robert Lauriston made about evaluating the competition again is well taken.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Basically, there are probably some (many?) bug fixes in FrameMaker 2015 that are not in FrameMaker 12 … even though they were reported while FrameMaker 12 was the production release. And it makes prices for future upgrades lower if you continue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Z<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>[off-topic rant … <i>here I go again … so feel free to ignore the rest of this</i>! :)]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>FWIW, since FrameMaker 12 will not get these fixes now, I believe, it just gives more credence to my “now-well-underway” project of moving away from FrameMaker entirely. Also, the price for upgrades remains too high IMHO … perhaps (my speculation) to try to force people to accept the monthly/annual subscription model version instead! Yuck. :(<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>IMHO, companies should fix reproducible bugs reported in <i>released</i> versions – and not by forcing us to get bug fixes by upgrading to the <i>next</i> version (at high cost). I can rationalize spending $149 (used to be the support license cost) to $199 (used to be the old upgrade pricing model) every other year for upgrades to FrameMaker. But $399 is simply too much. Since Word for short new documents and LaTeX for long new ones are serving <i>my</i> needs very well. YMMV of course!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My point: in software, new versions (with upgrades at reasonable prices) should be for <i>new</i> functionality … that <i>can</i> be charged for. Bugs in <i>recent</i> versions (let alone those reported on the <i>released</i> version!) <i>should</i> get free fixes. Most companies follow that practice till they EOL a particular release, even after new versions are available. Microsoft, Oracle and Cyberlink are good examples of this Best Practice. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think it was Robert Lauriston who once asked me why I followed upgrade paths all the time … I now think he was right to basically consider me an idiot (more or less)! So, FrameMaker 12 is likely to be my <i>last</i> version until all my <i>old</i> documents are converted away to the new tools I now use for all <i>new</i> documents! Then it will get punted permanently … 27+ years after I first began using it!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>[/off-topic rant]<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>