Fwd: Re: Lurking fonts: for info
Melanie Raney
raney at earthdecision.com
Fri Mar 24 13:55:17 PST 2006
Peter
> I think you can accomplish what you want by creating a definition for
> the CellFooting paragraph format in the catalog, using a font you
> have.
I tried this. And, afterwards, updated all the table formats again. I
didn't have the chance to delete them all and start from scratch. But, I
did remove all the footing rows, add them back, and check every cell in
the tables before updating them. All cells had either one of my custom
pgf tags applied or the new CellFooting tag. Then, I saved my file as FM
and MIF.
When I search the MIF for 'TimesNewRoman,' its still there in every
table format. In the column definitions it says 'CellFooting' is applied
to every cell in every footing row of all my table formats. Further, it
thinks that the font for 'CellFooting' is TimesNewRoman, not my nice
clean Frutiger 45 Light.
Even weirder: in the ROW definitions in the MIF, it says my tags are
applied in the footing row cells and shows my Frutiger font.
Errrggh
--
melanie raney
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:25 PM
To: Melanie Raney; Steve Rickaby; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Lurking fonts: for info
Hi, Melanie:
Here's the problem, according to my quick tests and examining MIF files:
* In a new file, based on standard FM templates, the default table
format A has no footing row, and the paragraph format catalog has no
definition for CellFooting. However, in the MIF file, you can see
that the format A table definition has a statement to use the
CellFooting paragraph format for cells in a footing row.
* Adding a footing row to a format A table creates CellFooting tags
in the cells, but CellFooting is not in the paragraph catalog, so the
tag information area (left end of status bar) displays *CellFooting.
I think the CellFooting paragraph format is cloned from the
existing CellHeading format, but it might be generated from some
other source.
* Adding the CellFooting paragraph format to the catalog locks in a
definition for it.
I think you can accomplish what you want by creating a definition for
the CellFooting paragraph format in the catalog, using a font you
have. Table footing rows you create will look in for CellFooting and
if it exists in the catalog, they will use the font you have
specified. I believe that this approach will preclude FM trying to
find the hidden, elusive, maddening, "ghost," location of
TimesNewRoman and variations.
HTH
Regards,
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
At 11:45 AM -0600 3/24/06, Melanie Raney wrote:
>Rick, We constantly have the same issues you're having. Every time we
>try to print, create a PDF, or regenerate the books, we get the missing
>fonts list: 'TimesNewRoman' and 'Times'.
>
>We aren't using either of these fonts, and no manner of search reveals
>them in the FM file. When I look at the MIF, I see something very
>similar to what you have shown below but replace `TimesNewRomanPSMT'
>with 'TimesNewRoman' in mine. In addition, 'Times' never shows up in
>our MIF at all.
>
>I've tried the suggestion of replacing all the table formats. However,
>I don't want the default table formats to have footer rows (because 95%
>of our tables don't need a footer row), so I update the formats with
>footer rows then try deleting the footer rows and updating again. This
>is in the hopes that it remembers how the footer row is supposed to
>look even though its not inserted in the table. This results in no joy
>for eliminating the bad font... Keep getting 'TimesNewRoman' showing up
>the footer row definition. But, get this, when I insert a footing row
>in a table, it is always formatted correctly, using the correct
>paragraph tag/font... Craziness!
>
>I'm watching closely to see if anyone can help you figure this out.
>
>Sharing your pain,
>
>--
>melanie raney
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: framers-bounces+raney=earthdecision.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+raney=earthdecision.com at lists.frameusers.com]
>On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:12 AM
>To: framers at FrameUsers.com
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Lurking fonts: for info
>
>
>Further...
>
>In one specific instance, in the MIF, FrameMaker is claiming that the
>table heading style for the unstructured master page maps table is
>LetterGothicMT and missing, when it's absolutely LetterGothicLT and
>present. Telling it to forget the 'missing' font converts the table
>heading font to TimesNewRomanPSMT - but the font is still correct and
>LetterGothicLT in the document.
>
>Inserting a new unstruct master page table does not reveal any missing
>fonts.
>
>This is all most confusing.
>
>Here's the MIF...
>
> <Tbl
> <TblID 14>
> <TblTag `UnstructMasterPageMaps'>
> <TblFormat
> <TblColumn
> <TblColumnNum 0>
> <TblColumnWidth 13.91412 pc>
> <TblColumnH
> <PgfTag `TableHeading'>
> <Pgf
> <PgfFont
> <FTag `'>
> <FPlatformName `M.TimesNewRomanPSMT.P'>
> <FFamily `Times New Roman'>
> <FVar `Regular'>
> <FWeight `Medium'>
> <FAngle `Regular'>
> <FPostScriptName `TimesNewRomanPSMT'>
>
>--
>Steve
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