Fwd: Re: Lurking fonts: for info

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Melanie:

Here's the problem, according to my quick tests and examining MIF files:

* In a new file, based on standard FM templates, the default table 
format A has no footing row, and the paragraph format catalog has  no 
definition for CellFooting. However, in the MIF file, you can see 
that the format A table definition has a statement to use the 
CellFooting paragraph format for cells in a footing row.

* Adding a footing row to a format A table creates CellFooting tags 
in the cells, but CellFooting is not in the paragraph catalog, so the 
tag information area (left end of status bar) displays *CellFooting.
    I think the CellFooting paragraph format is cloned from the 
existing CellHeading format, but it might be generated from some 
other source.

* Adding the CellFooting paragraph format to the catalog locks in a 
definition for it.

I think you can accomplish what you want by creating a definition for 
the CellFooting paragraph format in the catalog, using a font you 
have. Table footing rows you create will look in for CellFooting and 
if it exists in the catalog, they will use the font you have 
specified. I believe that this approach will preclude FM trying to 
find the hidden, elusive, maddening, "ghost," location of 
TimesNewRoman and variations.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


At 11:45 AM -0600 3/24/06, Melanie Raney wrote:
>Rick, We constantly have the same issues you're having. Every time we
>try to print, create a PDF, or regenerate the books, we get the missing
>fonts list: 'TimesNewRoman' and 'Times'.
>
>We aren't using either of these fonts, and no manner of search reveals
>them in the FM file.
>When I look at the MIF, I see something very similar to what you have
>shown below but replace `TimesNewRomanPSMT' with 'TimesNewRoman' in
>mine. In addition, 'Times' never shows up in our MIF at all.
>
>I've tried the suggestion of replacing all the table formats. However, I
>don't want the default table formats to have footer rows (because 95% of
>our tables don't need a footer row), so I update the formats with footer
>rows then try deleting the footer rows and updating again. This is in
>the hopes that it remembers how the footer row is supposed to look even
>though its not inserted in the table. This results in no joy for
>eliminating the bad font... Keep getting 'TimesNewRoman' showing up the
>footer row definition. But, get this, when I insert a footing row in a
>table, it is always formatted correctly, using the correct paragraph
>tag/font... Craziness!
>
>I'm watching closely to see if anyone can help you figure this out.
>
>Sharing your pain,
>
>--
>melanie raney
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: framers-bounces+raney=earthdecision.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+raney=earthdecision.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:12 AM
>To: framers at FrameUsers.com
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Lurking fonts: for info
>
>
>Further...
>
>In one specific instance, in the MIF, FrameMaker is claiming that the
>table heading style for the unstructured master page maps table is
>LetterGothicMT and missing, when it's absolutely LetterGothicLT and
>present. Telling it to forget the 'missing' font converts the table
>heading font to TimesNewRomanPSMT - but the font is still correct and
>LetterGothicLT in the document.
>
>Inserting a new unstruct master page table does not reveal any missing
>fonts.
>
>This is all most confusing.
>
>Here's the MIF...
>
>  <Tbl
>   <TblID 14>
>   <TblTag `UnstructMasterPageMaps'>
>   <TblFormat
>    <TblColumn
>     <TblColumnNum 0>
>     <TblColumnWidth  13.91412 pc>
>     <TblColumnH
>      <PgfTag `TableHeading'>
>      <Pgf
>       <PgfFont
>        <FTag `'>
>        <FPlatformName `M.TimesNewRomanPSMT.P'>
>        <FFamily `Times New Roman'>
>        <FVar `Regular'>
>        <FWeight `Medium'>
>        <FAngle `Regular'>
>        <FPostScriptName `TimesNewRomanPSMT'>
>
>--
>Steve
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