Framers Digest, Vol 30, Issue 11

Fri Apr 11 07:17:45 PDT 2008

Rick,

Thanks for the discount. I forwarded your message to my manager. He was having some trouble getting the information he needed to make a decision so I am not sure how quick the response is going to be. I will keep you posted.

Michelle

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Closing big book files (Shmuel Wolfson)
   2. OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild (John Pitt)
   3. Re: Closing big book files (Jim Owens)
   4. Re: Closing big book files (Rene Stephenson)
   5. RE: Taking  screen shot with the cursor (Ed Lightle)
   6. Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
      (Stuart Rogers)
   7. tables (Mollye Barrett)
   8. Re: tables (Rick Quatro)
   9. Re: tables (Art Campbell)
  10. ANN:  Survey about Leaders in Technical Communication
      (jobs @ ProSpring)
  11. FrameMaker and Canto Cumulus or Extensis PortFolio
      (Wim Hooghwinkel - iDTP)
  12. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson)
  13. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson)
  14. finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality (Jim Owens)
  15. Menu name (Flato, Gillian)
  16. Re: Menu name (Stuart Rogers)
  17. Re: Menu name (Rene Stephenson)
  18. Re: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality
      (Jeremy H. Griffith)
  19. RE: Menu name (Combs, Richard)
  20. Re: Menu name (Alan Litchfield)
  21. Re: Menu name (rebecca officer)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:32:40 +0300
From: Shmuel Wolfson <sbw at actcom.com>
Subject: Re: Closing big book files
To: Harold Winberg <harold.winberg at forceprotection.net>,        Framers
        <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <47FDD0A8.6000500 at actcom.com>
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First do a shift/save all, then a shift/close all.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson

Harold Winberg wrote:
> Hello Framers
>
>
>
> I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters.
>
>
>
> I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates.
>
>
>
> Is there a quick way to save and close the files?
>
>
>
> I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me
> confirm OK save the file.
>
>
>
> It takes over a half hour.
>
>
>
> Any other way??
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Les Winberg
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:39:31 +1000
From: John Pitt <john at pitt.net.au>
Subject: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <47FDEE63.20001 at pitt.net.au>
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After my motherboard went feral, I had to rebuild with a new
motherboard, cpu, video card, etc. XP Pro had to be coerced into working
again, but it was OK.

But my Acrobat Pro 8 installation now refuses to make PDFs using either
FM 8 or 7.1 with either Save As or print to PostScript. After a short
time, Frame stops responding, the top menu bar disappears, and it has to
be killed.

I've Repaired, Uninstalled > Repaired, Deactivated and Activated, and
muttered various incantations. Nothing seems to work.

Strangely, both Word and Excel do produce PDFs.

Any clues?

jjj
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:12:40 -0400
From: Jim Owens <jowens at magma.ca>
Subject: Re: Closing big book files
To: Harold Winberg <harold.winberg at forceprotection.net>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <47FE0438.1010203 at magma.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

If you're using a version of Frame with an Undo feature, and you're
seeing an "OK to clear history?" dialog for every file you save, try
clearing this check box:

File > Preferences > General > Show warnings while clearing history

Harold Winberg wrote:
> Hello Framers
>
>
>
> I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters.
>
>
>
> I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates.
>
>
>
> Is there a quick way to save and close the files?
>
>
>
> I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me
> confirm OK save the file.
>
>
>
> It takes over a half hour.
>
>
>
> Any other way??
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Les Winberg
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:32:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Closing big book files
To: Harold Winberg <harold.winberg at forceprotection.net>,
        framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <351272.74208.qm at web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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If you shift-alt-f, s before shift/close all, you won't be prompted. That many files will still take a long time to save, though.

Maybe one of the developers on the list has some insight...?!

Rene L. Stephenson

----- Original Message ----
From: Harold Winberg <harold.winberg at forceprotection.net>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 6:31:10 PM
Subject: Closing big book files

Hello Framers

I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters.

I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates.

Is there a quick way to save and close the files?

I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me
confirm OK save the file.

It takes over a half hour.

Any other way??

Thanks

Les Winberg

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:40:55 -0500
From: "Ed Lightle" <elightle at commandalkon.com>
Subject: RE: Taking  screen shot with the cursor
To: <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Gillian,

I use Snagit and it allows me to include or not include the cursor.

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon
614-799-0600 ext. 5225
www.commandalkon.com

Flato, Gillian wrote:
> Does anyone know how to take a screenshot so that the screenshot
> includes the mouse and where it's pointing to?
>
> Thank you,
>
><mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>
>Gillian Flato
>Technical Writer (Software)
>nanometrics
>1550 Buckeye Dr.
>Milpitas, CA. 95035
>(408.545.6316
>7  408.232.5911

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:30:19 -0400
From: Stuart Rogers <srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
To: John Pitt <john at pitt.net.au>
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID:
        <200804101430.m3AEUP0x027306 at mail297c9.megamailservers.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

John Pitt wrote:
> After my motherboard went feral, I had to rebuild with a new
> motherboard, cpu, video card, etc. XP Pro had to be coerced into working
> again, but it was OK.
>
> But my Acrobat Pro 8 installation now refuses to make PDFs using either
> FM 8 or 7.1 with either Save As or print to PostScript. After a short
> time, Frame stops responding, the top menu bar disappears, and it has to
> be killed.
>
> I've Repaired, Uninstalled > Repaired, Deactivated and Activated, and
> muttered various incantations. Nothing seems to work.
>
> Strangely, both Word and Excel do produce PDFs.
>
> Any clues?
>
> jjj

Make sure the printer port "FILE:" still exists.  If not, add it.

Start > Settings > Printers & Faxes
Adobe PDF properties
Ports tab
Note the port currently selected.
Find FILE: in the list?
If no, Add Port, Local Port, named FILE: (with the colon).
Reselect the previously selected port.

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

I'll stop saying Microsoft is arrogant when
Windows stops saying "Welcome" and instead asks "May I?"

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:02:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Mollye Barrett" <mollye at clearpath.cc>
Subject: tables
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <54317.67.52.221.170.1207839756.squirrel at www.itobin.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

Hi All,

I have several unstructured templates in about 150 files. There are lots
of different table formats, though many of them are similar. What I need
to do is to narrow the usage and remove the unused table formats. Is there
a method in Frame 8 or a plugin that will help?

Any help is appreciated!

Mollye Barrett
ClearPath, LLC
414-331-1378

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:43:01 -0400
From: "Rick Quatro" <frameexpert at truevine.net>
Subject: Re: tables
To: <mollye at clearpath.cc>,      <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <046501c89b21$8fa7e430$0201a8c0 at CARMENOFFICE>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original

Hi Mollye,

I have a FrameScript script that will rename table formats. So you could
rename the formats that you are trying to eliminate to the ones you want to
keep. When the script renames the formats, it will delete the old name from
the table catalog.

The script is controlled by a simple INI file:

[TblFmts]
; Old format=new format
Employee Listing=Format A
PCCCOM With Lines=Format A
Product Table-Gray Heading=Format A

In this example, they are changing 3 table formats to Format A. The script
works on a single document or book. The cost is $40 and the script requires
FrameScript in order to run (http://www.framescript.com). Please let me know
if you have any questions or comments. Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mollye Barrett" <mollye at clearpath.cc>
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: tables

> Hi All,
>
> I have several unstructured templates in about 150 files. There are lots
> of different table formats, though many of them are similar. What I need
> to do is to narrow the usage and remove the unused table formats. Is there
> a method in Frame 8 or a plugin that will help?
>
> Any help is appreciated!
>
> Mollye Barrett
> ClearPath, LLC
> 414-331-1378
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:01:35 -0400
From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: tables
To: mollye at clearpath.cc
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Although I'd probably opt to use Rick's script, another way would be
to create a template using only the formats you want, and then use
Electropub's CleanImport plugin to impose those formats on the files
(which I hope would be in a book) -- the plugin deletes the missing
formats from the working files. Then you could do a simple conversion
from one format to another.

Art

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Rick Quatro <frameexpert at truevine.net> wrote:
> Hi Mollye,
>
>  I have a FrameScript script that will rename table formats. So you could
>  rename the formats that you are trying to eliminate to the ones you want to
>  keep. When the script renames the formats, it will delete the old name from
>  the table catalog.
>
>  The script is controlled by a simple INI file:
>
>  [TblFmts]
>  ; Old format=new format
>  Employee Listing=Format A
>  PCCCOM With Lines=Format A
>  Product Table-Gray Heading=Format A
>
>  In this example, they are changing 3 table formats to Format A. The script
>  works on a single document or book. The cost is $40 and the script requires
>  FrameScript in order to run (http://www.framescript.com). Please let me know
>  if you have any questions or comments. Thanks.
>
>  Rick

--
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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:10:06 -0700
From: "jobs @ ProSpring" <jobs at prospring.net>
Subject: ANN:  Survey about Leaders in Technical Communication
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <0C752D2E8EBB457F847A032C93185419 at JackLaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

LavaCon has posted a short (two question) survey about leaders in the
technical communication field:
http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/?p=WEB227NSFK4MA6

You can enter a drawing for a free entrance to LavaCon 2008 in Honolulu as a
thank you for participating.

Please take the survey when you have a minute?

Mahalo!

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November 6-8, 2008  Honolulu, Hawaii
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:38:03 +0200
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - iDTP <wim at idtp.eu>
Subject: FrameMaker and Canto Cumulus or Extensis PortFolio
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <20080410123803.f66huifsw04o880s at webmail.idtp.eu>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=ISO-8859-1;     DelSp="Yes";
        format="flowed"

Hello all,

does anyone know of a plug in to connect the FrameMaker File-Import
command to a Cumulus or PortFolio catalogue for searching and
importing assets?

Or some other way to use one of these asset manageent tools with
FrameMaker to create referenced file imports?

Thanks!
--

Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel

International DTP
DTP and Documentation Consultancy

tel. +31652036811
www.idtp.eu

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:05:41 -0500
From: "Lief Erickson" <lief at networkinstruments.com>
Subject: RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Message-ID: <CE2B9E84E0BB9349B1CA9D06175A7003018FFAD2 at ex1.netinst.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

I've used TortoiseSVN with my FrameMaker files (along with my insets)
for a couple of years and have not had any problems. Some thoughts:

+ Are the files stored on a server or locally? If they're on a server,
are the writers using mapped drives? Are the drives mapped with the same
drive letter (e.g., F:\)?

+ If the files are updated to a local directory on the hard drive, are
all writers using the same directory structure? This should be exactly
the same so that relative paths are maintained.

I'm not convinced it's an SVN problem. My guess is that it may be
directory structure related.

-Lief

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mbradley at techpubs.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:40 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN

My client started using imported text insets for some boilerplate
paragraphs. In the folder tree, the folder of boilerplate source files
is at the same level as the folder of the FM book. Both folders are
checked into TortoiseSVN, an open-source client for Subversion, a
version-control program.

Every time a different writer opens a FM file that uses one of the text
insets, s/he gets an error message from FM saying the text inset is
unresolved. Re-importing the text inset fixes the problem for that
writer. Every writer opens the same FM file and imports the same text
inset, so there's no reason for FM to lose the link. We copied both
folders to a location outside SVN and the problem did not occur, so it
has something to do with SVN.

By the way, the book folder contains a subfolder of Xrefed image files,
and SVN doesn't interfere with those links. We're going to try Xrefing
the text insets instead of importing them, but Xrefing them means we
lose the formatting and markers (Index and Hypertext) in the source
files.

So ... anyone know what's going on here with SVN?

= Mike Bradley
  www.techpubs.com

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:06:49 -0500
From: "Lief Erickson" <lief at networkinstruments.com>
Subject: RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN
To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>
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You would not need to get locks for any text insets. Just the main
document (unless you are making changes to the text inset itself).

With multiple writers it's good practice to use the exclusive lock
feature of SVN with FrameMaker files. SVN can't merge FrameMaker's
binary files and manually merging two writers' changes is a pain. Take
my word for it.

-Lief

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Feimster
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:32 AM
To: mbradley at techpubs.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN

Mike,

This is shot in the dark, but are you using exclusive locks and the
svn:needs-lock property? If so you might need to get locks for more than
just the file you're opening.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
mbradley at techpubs.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:40 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN

My client started using imported text insets for some boilerplate
paragraphs. In the folder tree, the folder of boilerplate source files
is at the same level as the folder of the FM book. Both folders are
checked into TortoiseSVN, an open-source client for Subversion, a
version-control program.

Every time a different writer opens a FM file that uses one of the text
insets, s/he gets an error message from FM saying the text inset is
unresolved. Re-importing the text inset fixes the problem for that
writer. Every writer opens the same FM file and imports the same text
inset, so there's no reason for FM to lose the link. We copied both
folders to a location outside SVN and the problem did not occur, so it
has something to do with SVN.

By the way, the book folder contains a subfolder of Xrefed image files,
and SVN doesn't interfere with those links. We're going to try Xrefing
the text insets instead of importing them, but Xrefing them means we
lose the formatting and markers (Index and Hypertext) in the source
files.

So ... anyone know what's going on here with SVN?

= Mike Bradley
  www.techpubs.com

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:40:44 -0400
From: Jim Owens <jowens at magma.ca>
Subject: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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We're currently using WWP 2003 to generate CHM from our Frame docs, but
since there's no support past FM 7.2, we're evaluating our options. This
week I've been looking at Mif2Go.

We want to make the most of our existing Frame markup for Related Topic
buttons and drop-down hotspots. Out of the box, Mif2Go doesn't support
the WWP system for drop-down hotspots, and it doesn't support buttons
based on a Related Topics list. (ALinks and KLinks are supported.)

But Mif2Go has a macro language that seems to be up to the task. The
necessary macros would be virtually the same for anyone contemplating a
migration from WWP. This leads me to ask whether anyone has already
developed "boilerplate" macros that they are willing to share.

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:24:29 -0700
From: "Flato, Gillian" <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Subject: Menu name
To: "Framers List" <framers at frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
        <71840CC25A51A947AED5377E1BF3F1A901944AC2 at colo1-prd-xchg1.corp.nanometrics.com>

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Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the
plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu
displays below?

Thank you,

<mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr.

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics <mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com> .com
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:45:28 -0400
From: Stuart Rogers <srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com>
Subject: Re: Menu name
To: "Flato, Gillian" <gflato at nanometrics.com>
Cc: Framers List <framers at frameusers.com>
Message-ID:
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Flato, Gillian wrote:
> Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the
> plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu
> displays below?
>

Microsoft MoS:

"expand, collapse

"Pertains to a folder or outline. The user can expand or collapse these
structures to see more or fewer subentries. A plus sign next to a folder
indicates that it can be expanded to show more folders; a minus sign
indicates that it can be collapsed."

Does that help?

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rene Stephenson <rinnie1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Menu name
To: "Flato, Gillian" <gflato at nanometrics.com>,  Framers List
        <framers at frameusers.com>
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MS Manual of Style for Technical Publications calls it several different terms, depending on the functionality. See Dialog Boxes and Property Sheets in the MS MoS.

 HTH
Rene L. Stephenson

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From: "Flato, Gillian" <gflato at nanometrics.com>
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Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:24:29 PM
Subject: Menu name

Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the
plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu
displays below?

Thank you,

<mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

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Milpitas, CA. 95035

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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:02:27 -0700
From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" <jeremy at omsys.com>
Subject: Re: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:40:44 -0400, Jim Owens <jowens at magma.ca> wrote:

>We're currently using WWP 2003 to generate CHM from our Frame docs, but
>since there's no support past FM 7.2, we're evaluating our options. This
>week I've been looking at Mif2Go.

Good!  You're not the only WWP user doing that...  ;-)

>We want to make the most of our existing Frame markup for Related Topic
>buttons and drop-down hotspots. Out of the box, Mif2Go doesn't support
>the WWP system for drop-down hotspots,

We do have one of our own with the usual large set of options.
See User's Guide par. 6.9, "Including expandable sections in
Help topics".  We're not familiar with the WWP method, but if
you tell us what the markup for it is in Frame, we'll see what
we can do to support that out of the box.

>and it doesn't support buttons based on a Related Topics list.
>(ALinks and KLinks are supported.)

I don't quite understand that; "Related Topics" *are* ALinks.
See par. 8.6.3, "Configuring ALink and KLink jumps for HTML Help".

You might also want to look at our browser-based OmniHelp; we
have a different way of using ALinks in it that provides a more
consistent navigation UI.  We added a tab in the left navigation
pane for Related, and show all the topics that share an ALink
with the current topic in it.  No button or popup list needed.

>But Mif2Go has a macro language that seems to be up to the task. The
>necessary macros would be virtually the same for anyone contemplating a
>migration from WWP. This leads me to ask whether anyone has already
>developed "boilerplate" macros that they are willing to share.

We'd like to know that too; if they exist, we'd be happy to include
them in the User's Guide, and in a macro library file that would
be part of the distro.  We don't actually have WWP ourselves, so
we'll need the help of those migrating to Mif2Go from WWP to do that.

Thank you for raising this issue!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  <jeremy at omsys.com>  http://www.omsys.com/

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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:09:25 -0600
From: "Combs, Richard" <richard.combs at Polycom.com>
Subject: RE: Menu name
To: "Flato, Gillian" <gflato at nanometrics.com>,  "Framers List"
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Flato, Gillian wrote:

> Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you
> click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the
> minus sign and the menu displays below?

An abomination? ;-)

I've commonly seen the plus/minus boxes as nodes in a directory or tree
structure, but I don't think I've ever seen a _menu_ that used them. And
I'd rather not.

But maybe I'm thinking of the term "menu" too narrowly -- to me, it's a
set of commands listed under one of several top-level names (like File
or Edit), or displayed in response to a right mouse click (context
menu).

If you're using the term more broadly to refer to a list of values,
options, etc., I'd call it a list. If my audience were computer novices,
I'd call it a "drop-down list" and explain how to display it. But only
for real novices.

In general, I don't name interface elements, just their labels. If
necessary for clarity, I'll refer to the X list, Y box, or Z button. But
I generally don't use terms like combo list, drop-down list, multi-edit
box, tree node, etc. Readers usually don't care what interface designers
call some widget as long as they can find it and understand what to do
with it.

Pretty much everyone who isn't completely new to computers knows how
menus, lists, trees, buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons work.

HTH!
Richard

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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:14:09 +1200
From: Alan Litchfield <alan at alphabyte.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Menu name
To: Framers <framers at frameusers.com>
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I too do not recall seeing these referred to as menus, but they often
turn up as states of a hierarchical information tree that gives access
to various program functions. The two states being expanded (-) or
collapsed (+).

If I were to call it anything I guess it would be a tree and use terms
like "click [x] to expand", "click [x] to collapse", "click on [x],
then...", etc. Usually the trees I have seen are within a zone on the
interface and so I tend to refer to the zone's name, so "in [zone y],
click on [x]", ...".

Cheers
Alan

On 11/04/2008, at 8:09 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> Flato, Gillian wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you
>> click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the
>> minus sign and the menu displays below?
>
> An abomination? ;-)
>
> I've commonly seen the plus/minus boxes as nodes in a directory or
> tree
> structure, but I don't think I've ever seen a _menu_ that used them.
> And
> I'd rather not.
>
> But maybe I'm thinking of the term "menu" too narrowly -- to me,
> it's a
> set of commands listed under one of several top-level names (like File
> or Edit), or displayed in response to a right mouse click (context
> menu).
>
> If you're using the term more broadly to refer to a list of values,
> options, etc., I'd call it a list. If my audience were computer
> novices,
> I'd call it a "drop-down list" and explain how to display it. But only
> for real novices.
>
> In general, I don't name interface elements, just their labels. If
> necessary for clarity, I'll refer to the X list, Y box, or Z button.
> But
> I generally don't use terms like combo list, drop-down list, multi-
> edit
> box, tree node, etc. Readers usually don't care what interface
> designers
> call some widget as long as they can find it and understand what to do
> with it.
>
> Pretty much everyone who isn't completely new to computers knows how
> menus, lists, trees, buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons work.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
> ------
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> ------
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> ------
>
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:35:56 +1200
From: "rebecca officer" <rebecca.officer at alliedtelesis.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Menu name
To: "Framers List" <framers at frameusers.com>,    "Gillian Flato"
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We've called them a "tree menu" in the past. That gets 944000 hits on google. Seems to be a javascript term.

"Expanding menu" is also a javascript term but looks like it's not for those +/- menus.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Flato, Gillian" <gflato at nanometrics.com> 11/04/08 06:24 >>>
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displays below?

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